How is it a "mysterious" model? It's Tencent's Hy3?
My question as well. Isn't Tencent a very well-known company? Maybe the mystery is in the model itself?
The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
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Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#32PSA: Don't use OpenRouter for DeepSeek V4 as it messes up you caching. Use DeepSeek API directly and you'll get 2x to 3x more cached tokens.
Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#33Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#34What's so mysterious? Isn't it from Tencent?
Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The DeepSeek provider on OpenRouter is only the 5th-cheapest for V4 Flash You might have the default settings on your account, which limit Deepseek as a provider. If you disable that feature you see them on openrouter as well (and they serve it at the same cost as their own API).
I just checked my settings and I have everything enabled. https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash?sort=price (per-1M price) shows DeepSeek provider as #5. https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash/pricing?sor... (effective price) shows them as #3. The effective price will change your total cost since each provider has a different price for input vs output vs cache, so what's #1 and #5 for one person c…
Interesting, it seems we have some providers offering dsv4-flash cheaper than ds themselves. For the full model it's the other way around, all 3rd party providers are 2x+ more expensive.
Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#36For the life of me I will never understand the thought process that leads you to say "we don't really know who developed this LLM but I'm going to feed all of my business's data to it"
> I'm going to feed all of my business's data to it Your business data is probably worthless, even considered harmful for the pretrain corpus. Your interactions and decision making process are most valuable parts of the whole business.
>Your business data is probably worthless
please tell me you are not in charge of the data of any business I'm a client of
Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#37For the life of me I will never understand the thought process that leads you to say "we don't really know who developed this LLM but I'm going to feed all of my business's data to it"
You don't need to know who developed the LLM - whether it was Google or OpenAI.
What you need to know is who is the provider for the LLM, and whether their endpoints are zero data retention enabled and opted out of training. OpenRouter gives you an easy way to control this.
Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#38For the life of me I will never understand the thought process that leads you to say "we don't really know who developed this LLM but I'm going to feed all of my business's data to it"
You don't need to know who developed the LLM - whether it was Google or OpenAI. What you need to know is who is the provider for the LLM, and whether their endpoints are zero data retention enabled and opted out of training. OpenRouter gives you an easy way to control this.
How can openrouter control what LLM provider does with your data on their side?
Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Haha does it get bonus points for the extra button, or does it fail because html != SVG?
Any bonus points for the color sre immediately subtracted because the "animate wheels" button leaves the wheels stationary and makes the sun rotate.
Judging from the dotted trajectory lines, it even "thought" about giving the bike a wobble.
(But maybe that's just my interpretation based on something else going wrong in the animation)
Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't need to know who developed the LLM - whether it was Google or OpenAI. What you need to know is who is the provider for the LLM, and whether their endpoints are zero data retention enabled and opted out of training. OpenRouter gives you an easy way to control this.
How can openrouter control what LLM provider does with your data on their side?
OpenRouter and the provider sign a contract clearly specifying how input data is to be handled.
It's the same way we trust OpenAI to not train on our data if we've opted out although there is no control on whether they can retain the data indefinitely.