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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by dsign »

Cool as they are (very), I'm not enthusiastic about the Flipper Zero form factor, nor the Flipper One's, though I understand that's because I'm not their target audience.

However, I applaud their goal of opening up things in the ARM world. I'm still bitter after failing to use and having to discard an Arduino Giga. I wanted it because of its juicy CPU, but boy ARM hates hackers with small pockets. STM32CubeProgrammer will raise its nose in disdain if you do not use one of the purebreed and expensive dongles it approves. For my current project, I'm honestly considering to link several ESP32-xx as if I were crafting an old Nintendo, even if a single Cortex M7 would more than have enough power for what I need.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by feelamee »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #173
feelamee wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because 70 of 140 comments under this submission are owned by this thread about AI. And this is usually not what you want when you click on an interesting submission

> because 70 of 140 comments under this submission are owned by this thread about AI. This is an effect, rather than a cause. The root cause is often (but obviously not always) that the submission was written with AI to begin with. In instances like this, it is useful to focus on the root cause, not a proximal effect. > And this is usually not what you want when you click on an interesting submission More importantly…

> In general, reading comments written by actual humans about how a submission is AI, is preferable to reading a long submission written by AI

Not as in general as you think.

I don't care who writes comments/article - be you human, LLM, anthropomorphic android, nexus five or six, or my neighbors dog. It definitely doesn't affect anything - if your thoughts are interesting to me, I will be interested in reading them.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by hluska »

embedding-shape wrote: post #314
arjie wrote: post #307

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

This effort seems less of a "Help us by buying our product" and more a plea for contributors as a FOSS effort, they want to do things like this: "Collabora + Flipper: Opening up the RK3576" https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/coll... , and are basically looking for developers and other technology enthusiasts to help them both with the projects themselves, and also try to network (socially) their w…

> It kind of feels like if you can't be assed to read enough to figure out what they need help with, maybe you don't actually want to help them with even harder and involved stuff than that?

Or it kind of feels like if a project can’t be ‘assed’ to communicate clearly, that’s an issue.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by ghostly_s »

arjie wrote: post #307

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

If you're trying to convince people to contribute free labor to your for-profit product, you at least need to disclose what kind of MSRP you're shooting for -- why would someone help you build something that ends up being nowhere near a reasonable price point for the use-case that attracted them to it?

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by Caracas288 »

h14h wrote: post #342

The RK3576 is a really interesting/versatile chip and it is awesome to see major effort going into baking full support into the linux kernel. I could see it opening up a ton of doors for awesome FOSS hardware projects w/ AI accelerated workloads. One idea I have (but realistically will probably never build) is an e-ink notepad with a microphone that I can ask to generate custom note-taking templates. As a niche examp…

That’s an excellent idea, single-purpose devices with lots of capability within their domain are ideal.

If it were to manifest as a commercial product it might unfortunately just become an app on a souped-up e-reader. But maybe that wouldn’t be so bad either; anything is better than the laptop/smarphone local minima.

The success of Flipper Zero was mainly of design, the lineaments of the product being previously understood, but hopefully if the ‘One’ succeeds in its more difficult task it will encourage innovation in more exciting devices.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by ghostly_s »

kcoul wrote: post #374
arjie wrote: post #307

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

Maybe they wanted to see if any individual efforts piqued the interest of the reader base. In my case, it was FlipCTL that did so. I definitely think a generic library for hardware button interfaces to a menu system not requiring windowing is a great resource for resource-constrained embedded projects, so I'm looking forward to contributing to this.

Same, but the content on the page they linked for it and the design choices made in the hardware don't give me the impression that they are seriously interested in developing this aspect of the project (unless someone shows up who's willing to do all the work for free without pushing back on any of the preconditions they've set in stone with the hardware design, of course!).

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Post by rkrueger11 »

h14h wrote: post #342

The RK3576 is a really interesting/versatile chip and it is awesome to see major effort going into baking full support into the linux kernel. I could see it opening up a ton of doors for awesome FOSS hardware projects w/ AI accelerated workloads. One idea I have (but realistically will probably never build) is an e-ink notepad with a microphone that I can ask to generate custom note-taking templates. As a niche examp…

I love that idea. You should totally build it!

Packing lists, grocery store runs, playing tic tac toe / connect four, taking notes during conferences, etc.

Like an old palm pilot, but for the modern era. Take my money ;)

but, yeah, let's hope we see more of these chips gain broad usage with low level support added.

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Post by wiml »

normie3000 wrote: post #341
red-iron-pine wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC the original scope was the 8 most common tasks that literal Swiss soldiers did. that was their scope. sewing and maintianing clothes was one of them, for example, so thats why it has a punch. They'd need to be able to open cans, as that was the most common long term ration, and they'd need to be able to maintain their rifles which had screws, thus screwdrivers. a version with a wine bottle opener was made for of…

How often do they get stones out of horses' hooves?

In the 1800s? Pretty often, I'd guess.

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Post by kristopolous »

muxdervish wrote: post #332
arjie wrote: post #307

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

In a classic Flipper Devices move, they offload once again work to the community. This time, its even the community trying to parse the post to begin with. They're just never there to give "back" and all work is always one direction: towards them. Its bad form to make your own community feel less like "community" and more like "free labor" to exploit.

they've always come across as pretty scummy. I know that saying this makes people go frowny face but I think it's obvious.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by meatmanek »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #356
inventor7777 wrote: post #293

I really, really, really love this concept. I think there is SOME feature creep, but it does seem more or less scoped well to IP-type protocols. However, I don't think they need to be prioritizing the local AI features, which are cool...but models get far smarter when you run them on a proper Mac/external GPU vs a small battery powered Flipper device. I think it might be helpful on the go, in the field, etc, but the…

Re: the on-device AI, most people don't know what they don't know. And they don't know that there's dozens of on-device AI applications that already exist in the real world using tiny AI models. ESP32-S3's have been doing on-device AI for years . That's a 240MHz processor with 512KB SRAM, 16MB PSRAM and no GPU, and AI works great on it.

> AI works great on it.

Define AI, and define "great"

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