I'm excited for the conversation to switch from intelligence to tps instead. I care much less about what hard thought experiments models can one shot and much more how responsive my plain text interface for doing things is.
Gemini 3.5 Flash
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Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gen AI is unprofitable, especially at the insanely cheap rates they've been offering to get people in the door. So expect more increases in the future.
If you don't need SOTA or near SOTA there are plenty of dirt cheap models, just look at Gemma 4 31B on Openrouter.
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Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deepseek had another moment a few weeks ago. V4 isn't far behind the US frontier, and so far its flash variant seems a very reliable coder and costs a pittance.
Deepseek V4 (not flash) trippled in price too by the way (from Deepseek). Get used to this pattern. This is what you get for relying on the generosity of billionaires. Keep offshoring your thinking ability to a machine and let me know how competitive you. Hint, you wont be. There's nothing special about being able to use an LLM.
Unlike other providers, Deepseek does promise that they will lower the price when their Huawei cards arrive in a few more months.
Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash
#184The pelican is a lot : https://github.com/simonw/llm-gemini/issues/133#issuecomment... Not a great bicycle though, it forgot the bar between the pedals and the back wheel and weirdly tangled the other bars. Expensive too - that pelican cost 13 cents: https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=11&ot=14403&sel=gemini-3.5-fl...
Forgetting the chainstay is typical of asking random people to draw a bicycle.
https://www.gianlucagimini.it/portfolio-item/velocipedia/
> most ended up drawing something that was pretty far off from a regular men’s bicycle
Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash
#185The pelican is a lot : https://github.com/simonw/llm-gemini/issues/133#issuecomment... Not a great bicycle though, it forgot the bar between the pedals and the back wheel and weirdly tangled the other bars. Expensive too - that pelican cost 13 cents: https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=11&ot=14403&sel=gemini-3.5-fl...
That pelican looks like it's in Miami for a crypto conference.
It looks like the starting soon screen of a crypto presentation
Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash
#186Per million input/output tokens: Gemini 2.5 flash: $0.30/$2.50 Gemini 3.0 flash preview: $0.50/$3.00 Gemini 3.5 flash: $1.50/$9.00 Interesting pricing direction. I don't think we have ever seen a 3x price increase for in the immediate next same-sized model (and lol @ 3 only ever getting a preview). 3.5 flash costs similar to Gemini 2.5 pro which was $1.25/$10
3.1 flash lite — $0.25/$1.50 — plus insanely fast. 3.1 flash lite isn’t quite as good as 3 flash preview (which is the most incredible cheap model… I really love it) — but 3.1 is half the price and the insane speed opens up different use cases. For comparison, Opus models are $5/$25
Opus 4.7 is smarter than even Gemini 3.1 Pro on nearly every metric, though. You're comparing apples to oranges. Gemini 3.1 Flash is somewhere in the neighborhood between current Haiku and Sonnet, I think? Still a better value than the Anthropic models, I guess, which are quite pricey.
Since Gemini 3.5 Flash is raising the price to $1.50/$9.00, it's priced between Haiku and Sonnet. If it outperforms Sonnet, it remains a good value, I guess. Though DeepSeek V4 Flash is much cheaper than all of them, and seemingly competitive.
Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deepseek had another moment a few weeks ago. V4 isn't far behind the US frontier, and so far its flash variant seems a very reliable coder and costs a pittance.
Deepseek V4 (not flash) trippled in price too by the way (from Deepseek). Get used to this pattern. This is what you get for relying on the generosity of billionaires. Keep offshoring your thinking ability to a machine and let me know how competitive you. Hint, you wont be. There's nothing special about being able to use an LLM.
I think demand is too great and compute is not enough. Nothing to do with billionaires colluding to increase prices by 3x.
Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash
#188Imagine reducing yourself to the worst of averages by making your competency 1:1 correlated to the tokens that you have access too (and everyone else does).
Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash
#189Am I really so old that when someone says "Flash" my immediate response is... "consider HTML5 instead" ??
Very little of what made the Flash culture so fun made its way into HTML5.
Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash
#190Google also updated Antigravity. version 2.0 is more for conversation with agent. The previous VS Code like IDE was much better.