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Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by lynndotpy »

tokai wrote: post #100
mattkevan wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if they're posted again and again, they're real pain points and should be addressed?

No obviously not. They are just easy to bring up without ever engaging with the actual material.

GIMP and its UI are the only material here, what are you talking about? These are pain points about GIMP that multiple people have brought up every time GIMP has been mentioned online for decades.

I say this as someone who has used GIMP for two decades now. It was the first real image editor I used, so the UI/UX is fine to me, but it's clearly a problem.

GIMP is steadfast about the name, but has been slowly incorporating UI/UX improvements since its existence. (Single window mode, canvas rotation, more consistent UI on Macs with 3.0, high DPI support, etc.) GIMP doesn't have raw support yet, but it does have high bitdepth support (both integer and floating point).

The whole point of GIMPShop and PhotoGIMP are to address these pain points.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by lynndotpy »

croes wrote: post #42
jrm4 wrote: post #40

I'll continue to say it; this software does not get taken seriously in a useful way to lots of people until it changes the silly name. And to summarize and perhaps avert other discussion; it's not so much about being "non-offensive" as it is simply about being professional.

Who takes people seriously who judge something by its name instead if it’s functions?

"Names don't matter" is obviously a silly stance. Pre-emptively dismissing people who disagree as "not serious" when you're taking a stance like this does not make an argument in favor of your stance.

Names are something that clearly matter to people, and that impacts anyone working with people.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by lynndotpy »

lthi747 wrote: post #23

GIMP is the only program that I miss when switched from linux to mac. And GIMP 2.2 was just a perfect for my needs back then

You might be happy to learn that GIMP is a lot better on Mac with the 3.0 release than it was before. When I started using a Mac in 2022 I was a bit heartbroken at broken bits of the UI. I started using Affinity as a compromise, but its UX was just too janky and slow for me compared to GIMP.

Some things are wonky though (ctrl+ keybindings instead of cmd+ keybindings) but it's much better. I use it every day now.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mixmastamyk »

chiffre01 wrote: post #41

I've never understood GIMP's approach to copy paste either. They've made a decision that copy and paste must require as many un-intuitive steps as possible. Most graphics programs let you select a region, copy it and then move the copy around to where you want it, the end. You can usually paste into new layer if needed. But not in GIMP for some reason you have to copy something and 'anchor it' or convert it to a new…

Not sure what you’re seeing, but if you choose the move (four arrow button) tool after pasting, it will move the selection. Then you can create a layer or merge down etc if you wish but not required.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by herbst »

Matl wrote: post #106

While all the comments about GIMP needing a total UX overhaul etc. are likely valid, it's worth noting that there's something like 2 people working on the bulk of GIMP at the moment. It's not a startup that has just raised a series A and opened a flashy San Francisco office. All that is to say that I don't think the problem is the GIMP devs not knowing what the problems are and needing them explained over and over ag…

I guess i am not the only one who actually likes that Gimp is the same software I got used to many years ago just a lot better.

No need to relearn anytime I have to edit something.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by lynndotpy »

Asooka wrote: post #81
echelon wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. GIMP needs a total UX overhaul 2. GIMP needs RAW support, precision support, and a better data backbone 3. GIMP needs a rename. It's both a sex kink term [1] (not to yuck anyone's yums) and a slur term for disabled people [2] 4. Gen AI will probably disrupt all of this anyway. [1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I8S3ZHQ [2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gimp

Eh, every term for disabled people becomes a slur. Moron->idiot->retard (the latter being so unacceptable in modern speech it is labelled by the kids as "the hard r"). But you are right, we should simply not use terms for disabled people in software names. I propose "Thirty Years and Still Cannot Draw a Circle" or the hip short name :no-entry-sign: emoji.

Tangent, but it might help you avoid an embarrassing situation later on. If someone says "They called me the hard-R", they're not talking about the R-word.

"R----d" is usually just called "the R word", while "the hard R" refers specifically to the standard version of "the N word". (As opposed to "the soft A", which is sometimes used synonymous with "dude".)

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mixmastamyk »

lynndotpy wrote: post #98
jrm4 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, it's about 20 years too late, but the rename thing is absolutely correct and I continue to be gobsmacked by the amount of people here who don't get this, especially as I've seen this place slowly move from actually being about "hacking" to being about "tech and business." Perception matters; Y'all are so wild for this.

While I agree, and I've been hammering this point as a GIMP user for two decades I think the "GIMP is actually a fine name" are increasingly a minority. Its name makes GIMP hostile to user adoption. Anyone who works in a primarily English-spekaing country knows what it's like to try to use GIMP at work, especially in K-12. It's not like it was an accident, either. GIMP is a backronym because they wanted to name it af…

It’s only the British (and influenced by) who have a negative view of the name. The rest of us don’t care, and wish you’d quit bringing it up.

For example there’s a juice company here in the US named ’Suja,’ and it’s obvious they have no Brazilian employees because it means dirty/obscene in Portuguese.

Simple words sometimes mean unfortunate things in other countries. Adults get over them.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by accrual »

lynndotpy wrote: post #98
jrm4 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, it's about 20 years too late, but the rename thing is absolutely correct and I continue to be gobsmacked by the amount of people here who don't get this, especially as I've seen this place slowly move from actually being about "hacking" to being about "tech and business." Perception matters; Y'all are so wild for this.

While I agree, and I've been hammering this point as a GIMP user for two decades I think the "GIMP is actually a fine name" are increasingly a minority. Its name makes GIMP hostile to user adoption. Anyone who works in a primarily English-spekaing country knows what it's like to try to use GIMP at work, especially in K-12. It's not like it was an accident, either. GIMP is a backronym because they wanted to name it af…

There was a short lived project to fork and rebrand under Glimpse with improved UI, but it's been inactive for years. All the links I find are forks of forks, 404s, and parked domains.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by bananamogul »

hootz wrote: post #70
Shared404 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out Krita, it's a much easier lift for someone used to photoshop ime. At least, if you're doing digital art. Not as full featured for editing of photo's.

Digital artists use Photoshop for painting/drawing? I thought Photoshop was made for photo composites.

Photoshop is widely used for painting/drawing, yes. Hooking up a Wacom or similar tablet is very common.

Granted, a lot of this has moved to iPad + apple pencil since that combo was released, but Photoshop is still heavily used. Of course, you can run Photoshop on iPad, too.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mixmastamyk »

elevation wrote: post #103
jdlyga wrote: post #84

GIMP should take a lesson from Blender. Blender used to be the most clunky, unintuitive pieces of open source software. But after a decade and a half of UI development, it's one of the smoothest interfaces you'll ever use.

> GIMP should take a lesson from Blender. Blender used to be the most clunky, unintuitive pieces of open source software. But after a decade and a half of UI development, it's one of the smoothest interfaces you'll ever use Agreed. I'm already willing to use GIMP in its current state. But though I've used it since I was a child, I have to re-google for things I know it can do. I had a photo of a barn. I was going to…

You can draw arrows with the pencil or paintbrush.
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