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Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by Asooka »

echelon wrote: post #52
neuralkoi wrote: post #21

GIMP gets the work done. I've never had an issue I couldn't address with its tools, but it's clear the UI was crafted by coders. I'm glad for this approach.

1. GIMP needs a total UX overhaul 2. GIMP needs RAW support, precision support, and a better data backbone 3. GIMP needs a rename. It's both a sex kink term [1] (not to yuck anyone's yums) and a slur term for disabled people [2] 4. Gen AI will probably disrupt all of this anyway. [1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I8S3ZHQ [2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gimp

Eh, every term for disabled people becomes a slur. Moron->idiot->retard (the latter being so unacceptable in modern speech it is labelled by the kids as "the hard r"). But you are right, we should simply not use terms for disabled people in software names. I propose "Thirty Years and Still Cannot Draw a Circle" or the hip short name :no-entry-sign: emoji.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by pennomi »

MiddleEndian wrote: post #39
lukasbm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure 95% of photoshop users only use a feature subset thats also available in GIMP (except for maybe the latest generative infill)

>I'm pretty sure 95% of photoshop users only use a feature subset thats also available in GIMP (except for maybe the latest generative infill) It's been a few years since I tried GIMP but the last time I did, I couldn't rotate text and then edit it without losing my rotations. Rotating text isn't some obscure feature. This wasn't only shockingly behind Photoshop, it was behind Microsoft Word or even Clarisworks. A qu…

I don’t know if rotating text is included in this, but the latest GIMP added non-destructive layer filters.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by jfindley »

pessimizer wrote: post #56

I really hate [edit: the necessity for something like] this. I deeply disagree that Photoshop has better UI than GIMP, it's just that GIMP is no professional's daily driver, you were paid to learn Photoshop; and whenever you learned any technique, you learned it in Photoshop. Clinging to Photoshop UI (which is completely arbitrary and bizarre) just supports Photoshop - you're taking a vacation instead of making a mov…

The problem is not that GIMP has a different UI to photoshop. That's not a problem. Premier and Final Cut Pro have different UIs, and while there's some friendly banter about which is better most people agree that either work.

The GIMP community has utterly failed to understand that the problem with their UI is not that it's different from one particular competitor, it's that it breaks all user expectations about how GUI software should behave. A simple copy/paste operation between layers requires googling before a new user is able to do it - and all to save utterly trivial amounts of RAM. That's not "just different", that's objectively terrible.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by detritus »

pessimizer wrote: post #59
detritus wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

er.. no - I've been a daily user of Photoshop since '98 or so, but after getting annoyed with Adobe's subscription model a few years back I bought Affinity Photo and looked to move over entirely to that, yet I ended up back in Photoshop purely because of literal decades of muscle memory meant that every interaction that I had with Affinity's offering came with an undesirable cognitive speedbump. I'm not a fan of Gimp…

Seems like you're actually agreeing. What you're attached to is all the work you put into learning Photoshop, not the particular UI of Photoshop. Learning GIMP is throwing hundreds or thousands of hours of work into the trash. IMO, learning GIMP is going to be a lot easier, though, because it's logically organized - it's easy to guess where things will be. That's always going to be a problem with switching from anyth…

Define 'logically organised' in the context of 'a creative' using a piece of software?

Back in the Mac vs. PC days, people would argue themselves blue in the face about which system was the 'more logical' with the non-answer essentially boiling down to the extent of one's experience and the preference of one's capacity to plumb the depths of the preferred OS.

Here, we're discussing a means for people who might otherwise not have any desire to use GIMP being able to use GIMP without having to throw said thousands of hours of experience. Whether they then want to transition to a GIMP-first comprehension of the software is another matter entirely.

This gets rid of the speedbump.

Unfortunately, it doesnt get rid of the singularly-offputting name, but that's a matter for another thread.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by rorylaitila »

I tried GIMP out again after a decade, and I have to say I'm presently surprised with v3. I avoided it for a long time because I remember it being a super confusing interface. Every UX idiom seemed backward to me then. But today I need to do some significant compositing, repainting and correction sporadically, and I'm tired of the Adobe tax. Maybe coupled with AI research, I've been quickly able to figure out everything I need to do.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by DANmode »

enthdegree wrote: post #75
echelon wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. GIMP needs a total UX overhaul 2. GIMP needs RAW support, precision support, and a better data backbone 3. GIMP needs a rename. It's both a sex kink term [1] (not to yuck anyone's yums) and a slur term for disabled people [2] 4. Gen AI will probably disrupt all of this anyway. [1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I8S3ZHQ [2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gimp

Your point number 3 is very irritating to read.

Why?

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by seba_dos1 »

Antibabelic wrote: post #72
seba_dos1 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh wow, I wasn't aware how small the share of GNOME usage is on Arch. The trend is clear too. Case in point, it seems.

Second place is small?

17% for GNOME, when KDE gets 41%? Yes, that's surprisingly low.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Post by mattkevan »

actionfromafar wrote: post #76
Gualdrapo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time to bring back again the (true) story of when I was working at uni and they were looking for another graphic designer to join our team. Boss told us one of the candidates refused to do the test because the computer didn't have Photoshop installed. All they needed to do with an image editor was to crop an image. I really think most people use Photoshop for the same reason they use Windows - they don't really know/…

I maybe like this candidate - the "company" failed the test and the candidate moved on. :-)

The company absolutely failed the test. If they're not using industry standard tools then it's a sign they don't take the role seriously. That would be a huge red flag to me.

It's like applying to be developer and being told to use Microsoft FrontPage. It's doable, but raises serious questions about the professionalism of the organisation.

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