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Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

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Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

#31

GIMP gets the work done. I've never had an issue I couldn't address with its tools, but it's clear the UI was crafted by coders. I'm glad for this approach.

I completely agree.

Every few years I give GIMP a shot, and every time I give up because it's completely inscrutable. Adobe is evil, and Pixelmator lacks features, but at least you can figure out how to use them in short order.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

#32
post #12

I see usually two options: a) Solution X does it generally better than Y and their solution is *ported*. b) Adapt to solution Y. The end. Most of the time it is b. Because Vim shall not be Emacs. Linux shall not be Windows. And macOS shall not be Windows either. Do you remember that foolish Windows-Themes on Linux? Luckily GNOME has killed custom theming. And Apple also. Custom theming is a horrible mess aside from a…

c) There's a sane, standard way of doing things that everybody is familiar with, but you do decide to actively go against it for decades because you like doing things your way, and if anyone has anything to say about it they're "free to fork" and you "don't owe anyone anything", but despite that, everyone should use your thing because it's free and you're the good guy, and otherwise they're supporting the empire of e…

This is a lot of very confident assertions.

> you do decide to actively go against it for decades because you like doing things your way

Perhaps there's a good reason why a developer or a group of developers decide to do things a certain way.

> This is why Krita is sweeping the floor with gimp

Aside from the fact that these programs are intended for pretty different things, the impression I have is that GIMP has a much larger install-base than Krita and more people are aware of it. Far from "sweeping the floor".

> GNOME is hanging on by nature of being the default

Or perhaps some people (and enterprises) want a polished OOTB desktop experience without having to deal with KDE's bugs and Windows-like design language. There are plenty of GNOME installs on Arch Linux for example, where you can't speak of any "defaults" with regards to desktop environments.[0]

[0] https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun/Desktop%20Environments/cur...

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

#33

People use Photoshop for sheer capability, not for the layout, naming conventions and shortcuts.

er.. no - I've been a daily user of Photoshop since '98 or so, but after getting annoyed with Adobe's subscription model a few years back I bought Affinity Photo and looked to move over entirely to that, yet I ended up back in Photoshop purely because of literal decades of muscle memory meant that every interaction that I had with Affinity's offering came with an undesirable cognitive speedbump.

I'm not a fan of Gimp (haven't given it a shot in over a decade, to be fair) but if it covers the basic capabilities of PS and provides for an almost straight swap for users looking to change, then it is literally the layout and shortcuts that will be the decider for them.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although that is true, moving to a different application with different layout, naming conventions, and shortcuts is difficult. That is the use case this project addresses.

The disadvantage is that then you never learn how GIMP works and will forever frustrated it's not Photoshop. Sometimes it's better to take the hard way.

When I first started using emacs, I bounced off of spacemacs because it was all very unfamiliar and confusing, with a lot of its own terminology added on to emacs’. I tried again later with doom emacs and, maybe because of some familiarity gained in the spacemacs run, managed to make it stick.

A year or two ago, I ditched doom and rolled my own emacs config, having gained the necessary knowledge and confidence to do so from my years with doom.

Both doom and spacemacs exist to make the (relatively) strange nature of emacs more welcoming to users of other IDEs. I’m not sure I would have stuck with it without them, so I’m not sure the hard way is always better.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least put disclaimer and code of conduct for got sake

Why would there need to be a code of conduct or disclaimer when it's clearly stated it's a patch for a photo editing product called gimp?

You are arguing with a bad-faith throwaway account

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although that is true, moving to a different application with different layout, naming conventions, and shortcuts is difficult. That is the use case this project addresses.

The disadvantage is that then you never learn how GIMP works and will forever frustrated it's not Photoshop. Sometimes it's better to take the hard way.

Gimp is unintuitive for a lot of people including myself. I've tried it for years and just don't like the way it works. Forcing people to do it your way is not always the best way. This is an option, it's not forced on anyone and it's great for those that want to transition. People have requested it for years.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

#37
How do we get this into mainline GIMP? As a GIMP user since it existed, I can say that the default interface "works" but the ux isn't great. This looks like a marked improvement and would give me something more like Inkscapes UI but for raster images instead of vector...

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

#38
post #12

I see usually two options: a) Solution X does it generally better than Y and their solution is *ported*. b) Adapt to solution Y. The end. Most of the time it is b. Because Vim shall not be Emacs. Linux shall not be Windows. And macOS shall not be Windows either. Do you remember that foolish Windows-Themes on Linux? Luckily GNOME has killed custom theming. And Apple also. Custom theming is a horrible mess aside from a…

Custom themes for DEs and the like are fairly important for accessibility.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

#39
post #6

People use Photoshop for sheer capability, not for the layout, naming conventions and shortcuts.

I'm pretty sure 95% of photoshop users only use a feature subset thats also available in GIMP (except for maybe the latest generative infill)

>I'm pretty sure 95% of photoshop users only use a feature subset thats also available in GIMP (except for maybe the latest generative infill)

It's been a few years since I tried GIMP but the last time I did, I couldn't rotate text and then edit it without losing my rotations. Rotating text isn't some obscure feature. This wasn't only shockingly behind Photoshop, it was behind Microsoft Word or even Clarisworks. A quick Google search suggests this remained unsolved as recently as 2024: https://old.reddit.com/r/GIMP/comments/19ckuo4/text_layers_a...

This isn't blind hatred of OSS or learning new things. I've gotten annoyed with Photoshop now that they decided to replace their UI with web components, and so far Krita has been quite pleasant to use despite not also being identical to Photoshop.

Re: Photo GIMP – A Patch for GIMP 3 for Photoshop Users

#40
I'll continue to say it; this software does not get taken seriously in a useful way to lots of people until it changes the silly name.

And to summarize and perhaps avert other discussion; it's not so much about being "non-offensive" as it is simply about being professional.

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