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Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by upmostly » Tue, May 19, 2026, 11:36 AM UTC

aplummer wrote: post #48

upmostly wrote: post #24

We're building a product [1] to compete with DataGrip, a JetBrains product. Many people told us we were crazy to compete with such a mature product as DataGrip before we got started. It has been fascinating to speak to people who use database apps and to learn about their experiences. Now, we have many, many customers telling us that they have cancelled their DataGrip/JetBrains sub and have switched to using our prod…

I'd love to give this a try, I work at a privacy sensitive company, can I ask in advance is it possible to opt out of: > We automatically collect certain information when you use DB Pro: > Device information (IP address, browser type, operating system) > Usage patterns and interaction with our services > Log files and analytics data > Cookies and similar tracking technologies

We'll add an option in the next version to choose if you want to share usage data.

Stay tuned for v2.1.4, coming this week.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by moritzruth » Tue, May 19, 2026, 11:38 AM UTC

Dayshine wrote: post #54

giancarlostoro wrote: post #31

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Zed is also insanely capable for the short span its been around, and very responsive. I love JetBrains and used them for over a decade now, but I think I will likely cancel next year since I find myself only using Zed these days.

Is it? For the three languages I tried to use it for it was terrible. It was like it only had the basic language support plugin I wrote for myself at uni: basic syntax and current file/directory only source files loaded into context. So any referenced projects, tooling, even packages in one language, and you have false positive errors everywhere.

Sounds like you were in Restricted Mode: https://zed.dev/blog/secure-by-default#whats-changing-restri...

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by port11 » Tue, May 19, 2026, 12:41 PM UTC

Aurornis wrote: post #114

> It is so remarkably slow, and I cannot begin to understand these people that are telling me that it runs fast. Granted, I tend to run older hardware Always hard to interpret these complaints when the author won't reveal what hardware they're talking about, other than that it's old. I think Zed is a great option for someone who is both highly critical of load times and has older hardware. I would not have recommende…

I’ve used WebStorm for around 6 or 7 years, coming from Sublime Text. WebStorm was noticeably slower, but it did a lot of extra things.

It still does, but it’s gotten really slow lately, locking for 3–4 seconds when scrolling a larger file. I’m also on an M1 Mac with 16GB of RAM.

I think the issue (mostly) stopped when I disabled the ESLint plugin and checks, and replaced it with Biome. WebStorm still gets a bit stuck on some files, can’t figure out why since their profiling report is a binary export.

Perhaps the author is complaining about a similar, recent slowdown. I’ve no AI plugins enabled, none of the debugger/JS profile tools, and use a custom no-color theme. WebStorm never felt slower.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by j_w » Tue, May 19, 2026, 1:11 PM UTC

xigoi wrote: post #190

pjmlp wrote: post #21

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Yes I have read that, and whatever, some people rather walk straight away, because waiting for the car to warm up takes a few minutes. I have IDE tooling experience since Borland products for MS-DOS, and plenty of programming editors as well, between PC, Amiga, Mac and UNIX clones.

If a text editor is a car, an IDE is an airplane. You can get to more places with it, but you need a lot of space and time to even start moving and then it consumes a ridiculous amount of fuel.

Horrible analogy. You can't "get to more places" with an airplane. An airplane can only go to very limited number of locations compared to a car.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by j_w » Tue, May 19, 2026, 1:13 PM UTC

giaour wrote: post #110

throwaway7783 wrote: post #68

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I'm in the java ecosystem, so YMMV. - Automatic spring service detection - Debugger (remote, local , with access to state, stack and ability to modify the state while stepping through), though I assume this is possible with neovm? - built-in profiler - can run individual tests seamlessly - understands bytecode enhancers like Lombok - Find Usage, find symbol, language specific navigation, showing class hierarchies, go…

> - can run individual tests seamlessly This is the main one for me. If I am working on a large project with decent unit test coverage, the feedback loop in IntelliJ or Visual Studio is just much quicker than the alternatives because you can run and debug the specific tests you need.

Why can you not run specific tests from neovim?

If you really wanted to you could add some trigger on save for a file that would re-run tests for said file. Maybe a plugin or key bind could run a specific test which you choose in buffer.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by xigoi » Tue, May 19, 2026, 1:18 PM UTC

j_w wrote: post #194

xigoi wrote: post #190

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If a text editor is a car, an IDE is an airplane. You can get to more places with it, but you need a lot of space and time to even start moving and then it consumes a ridiculous amount of fuel.

Horrible analogy. You can't "get to more places" with an airplane. An airplane can only go to very limited number of locations compared to a car.

That actually makes it a great analogy. An IDE allows you to make common edits like renaming a variable, just as an airplane gets you to any big city. But when you need to make an uncommon edit, it’s better to reach for Vim – just like you need a car to get to some random place in the middle of woods.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by linsomniac » Tue, May 19, 2026, 1:58 PM UTC

4ndrewl wrote: post #63

linsomniac wrote: post #38

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Not who you are replying to, but the new Lexus RX350h takes and absurdly long time to be ready to drive away, if you want to use the rear camera to help back out of the parking lot.

Wait, don't you reverse into a parking space and drive straight out?

In my cars, generally, yes. The Lexus in question is my MIL's car, and she prefers it parked at home nose-in. We were also running some errands that required access to the rear (groceries, returning a printer/fax machine).

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by linsomniac » Tue, May 19, 2026, 2:02 PM UTC

za3faran wrote: post #153

linsomniac wrote: post #38

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Not who you are replying to, but the new Lexus RX350h takes and absurdly long time to be ready to drive away, if you want to use the rear camera to help back out of the parking lot.

Can you elaborate more on why it takes a long time to be ready to drive away in reverse? How long are you talking?

I didn't time it but I'd put it at 30 seconds. It sits there for a while with the infotainment screen black, then it does this animated splash screen, then it loads the infotainment/cameras.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by barrkel » Tue, May 19, 2026, 2:27 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #184

barrkel wrote: post #178

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There are people who move into the future, and there are those who stick their heads in the sand. It was ever thus. There's still room for something vaguely IDE shaped, but it's not going to be code oriented.

I have been coding since 1986, pleny of futures have come by. Eventually you learn to figure out which gold diggers will get lucky when the caravan crosses town.

I've been coding since 1990 myself. But I'm all in on AI.

I'm long past the need to code everything by hand; I've written editors, compilers, DOS TSR routines in assembler, disassemblers, debuggers, all sorts. I don't see any coding mountains remaining that I have a burning desire to climb. When I interact with an agent, I'm concerned about architectural nudges and fairly high-level details. And I anticipate climbing further up the abstraction stack over time.

Product management is increasingly vital; it's becoming very, very easy to implement the wrong thing, and you need to rip it out again. Editorial discipline is needed.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by butz » Tue, May 19, 2026, 2:29 PM UTC

If program has time to display startup banner - it is too slow. I was amazed how quickly Zed starts and it already has last project open and ready. Compared to JetBrains IDE, in some recent version they even added a toast informing that IDE is not responding. That tells much about application. And when whole UI keeps loading separate blocks like a website - absolutely annoying. Sometimes I don't even know if UI is actually ready to work, or clicking git branch selector will not yield any results, because something somewhere is still loading. Several GB size on disk with mostly unused plugins is just taking up space and makes loading IDE slower. They lost me as a customer when they dropped community edition of PyCharm. I was paying for PhpStorm for several years, until then, and dabbling with Python on the side. Having mandatory log in for free version is absurd.