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No more JetBrains products for me

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Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by pjmlp »

wiseowise wrote: post #18
pjmlp wrote: post #6

Well, Zed is a text editor with some plugins, while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer.

> while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer. None of those matter if they just close the IDE before it indexes. > When all of these tiny issues come together, it makes me NOT want to program. I don’t want to sit around and wait for startup times to get my ideas onto the screen. I don’t want to worry that my CPU or RAM is going to be exhausted and I am going to have to restart m…

Yes I have read that, and whatever, some people rather walk straight away, because waiting for the car to warm up takes a few minutes.

I have IDE tooling experience since Borland products for MS-DOS, and plenty of programming editors as well, between PC, Amiga, Mac and UNIX clones.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by AnthonBerg »

I swear: Good JVM settings can make Jetbrains IDEs fly with performance. Startup is way faster too.

I like ZGC. And having the IDE grab more RAM immediately on startup than the default. Something like Xms=4g or however it's done.

I cannot understand why Jetbrains keep the VM settings as constrained as they do. It's a big difference.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by lousken »

Lol, I hear developers everywhere telling me Jetbrains products are getting worse with every release. But I wonder why do they tell me and not scream at jetbrains, it's not like I can fix that as sysadmin. Stop writing blogs and telling others, start rioting in their forums!

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by upmostly »

We're building a product [1] to compete with DataGrip, a JetBrains product.

Many people told us we were crazy to compete with such a mature product as DataGrip before we got started.

It has been fascinating to speak to people who use database apps and to learn about their experiences.

Now, we have many, many customers telling us that they have cancelled their DataGrip/JetBrains sub and have switched to using our product, mainly due to speed but also cost.

Their products are really, really slow.

[1] https://dbpro.app

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by ryanolsonx »

pjmlp wrote: post #21
wiseowise wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer. None of those matter if they just close the IDE before it indexes. > When all of these tiny issues come together, it makes me NOT want to program. I don’t want to sit around and wait for startup times to get my ideas onto the screen. I don’t want to worry that my CPU or RAM is going to be exhausted and I am going to have to restart m…

Yes I have read that, and whatever, some people rather walk straight away, because waiting for the car to warm up takes a few minutes. I have IDE tooling experience since Borland products for MS-DOS, and plenty of programming editors as well, between PC, Amiga, Mac and UNIX clones.

Idk what car you have but mine can drive right away, just like Zed.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by kstrauser »

The speed thing is crucial for me. I'm bouncing between various projects regularly and use different editor windows for each project. I have a shell function called `zedme` that takes an optional argument, and opens the root directory of the current Git repo I'm in and also the additional file I named.

Open the whole project I'm in:

  $ zedme
Open a specific file within the context of this project:

  $ zedme foo.rs
In regular operation, in sizable projects, those commands each take about 1 second to open a whole project with tree navigation and all that, plus the specified file complete with syntax highlighting and language server etc.

One moment, I'm happily working away in a terminal. One second later, I'm looking at a full-featured editor with all the tooling I want.

That's the performance bar, the expectation. Slower than that and I have to adapt my workflow to the editor, not vice versa, and I've never used an editor so great that I'm willing to tolerate that.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by bigyabai »

pjmlp wrote: post #16
panny wrote: post #3

As an eclipse fan, I may have experienced a teensy bit of schadenfreude while reading this.

Me too, however this is another case of exchanging IDE for text editor without understanding what is being lost, or never having used the IDE to its full potential in first place, thus not knowing what is being left behind.

> or never having used the IDE to its full potential in first place

As more and more people delegate stupid things to their agent, this type of person will become increasingly common. Products like RustRover and CLion will be a much harder sell to audiences that don't even use an LSP in their day-to-day workflow.

JetBrains is probably working on a contingency plan as we speak.

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