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No more JetBrains products for me

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Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by d3m0t3p »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #40

I love PyCharm, but on my work laptop, it feels slow, and randomly likes to suddenly peg a CPU core to 100% for no apparent reason. It's not indexing as far as I can tell, it's just...stuck in some loop or something. My laptop fan goes wild. I've tried letting it sit for hours for it to figure out whatever the hell it's trying to do, but nothing. The thing is, I don't know what I'd use otherwise. I demand an actual I…

I think this is due to their AI insight, they run locally a model and it start to burn the whole computer.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by jordand »

azuanrb wrote: post #12

> Granted, I tend to run older hardware, but it seems that most other programs on my machine run fast and happy Curious what hardware you’re on. I’m in the same camp with JetBrains products, performance has always been my biggest complaint. Apple M chips made a huge difference though. It’s still not my preference, but at least it’s a lot more usable now. Most of my colleagues run multiple instances daily without issu…

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Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by 4ndrewl »

linsomniac wrote: post #38
ryanolsonx wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk what car you have but mine can drive right away, just like Zed.

Not who you are replying to, but the new Lexus RX350h takes and absurdly long time to be ready to drive away, if you want to use the rear camera to help back out of the parking lot.

Wait, don't you reverse into a parking space and drive straight out?

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by Exoristos »

abhgh wrote: post #56

I am not particularly bothered by the speed but the AI suggestion clutter is quickly becoming an issue for me :( I type fragments of a line and it will suggest the next 5-6 lines. They may not be outright wrong, but they might not represent the way I like to do things . Pressing Esc. and refocusing on what I was going to type in anyway is a disruptive experience.

Turn it off; it makes a brilliant IDE unusable.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by kstrauser »

nomel wrote: post #46
pjmlp wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too, however this is another case of exchanging IDE for text editor without understanding what is being lost, or never having used the IDE to its full potential in first place, thus not knowing what is being left behind.

I was in a meeting with a colleague about a PR for some python code. One of the things I noticed was that he had an unused module that contained an import of a non-existent class from another module. I know he uses Pycharm, so I mentioned to him that this kind of thing should be hard to miss, because the linter in Pycharm should have marked it, and the folder it's in, as red. He tells me, and I quote, "Oh, all the fi…

Do you already have a good criminal defense lawyer, or do you need a referral? Because whatever you did next was justified, in my opinion.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by piskov »

traderj0e wrote: post #29

Haven't used an IDE ever since I got used to vim and installed some basic plugins like YCM. Everything else feels too slow.

The main point of IDE is not code completion but lots of static and dynamic analysis to keep you from writing bad, slow, insecure, what have you, code.

Most of that stuff is proprietary and cannot be plugged into terminal.

The only attempt I’ve seen was actually by Jetbrains with Resharper beta for vscode

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by tacostakohashi »

abhgh wrote: post #56

I am not particularly bothered by the speed but the AI suggestion clutter is quickly becoming an issue for me :( I type fragments of a line and it will suggest the next 5-6 lines. They may not be outright wrong, but they might not represent the way I like to do things . Pressing Esc. and refocusing on what I was going to type in anyway is a disruptive experience.

I don't love that the AI suggestions seem to override completion of real/existing methods from the source code these days.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by throwaway7783 »

shimman wrote: post #42
pjmlp wrote: post #6

Well, Zed is a text editor with some plugins, while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer.

I don't use Zed, but do use Neovim but people make similar arguments. If I have access to a LSP and DAP, also do most of my refactoring through c tags and vim grep (or grug-far if I want to be fancy). What IDE specific features am I missing out on that can't be replicated? Being earnest here because I always screenshare with co-workers doing a variety of things and there is nothing I ever see that is impressive or ma…

I'm in the java ecosystem, so YMMV.

- Automatic spring service detection

- Debugger (remote, local , with access to state, stack and ability to modify the state while stepping through), though I assume this is possible with neovm?

- built-in profiler

- can run individual tests seamlessly

- understands bytecode enhancers like Lombok

- Find Usage, find symbol, language specific navigation, showing class hierarchies, going up/down the hierarchies etc (maybe in conjunction with LSP, other editors can do a decent job?)

- Advanced refactoring (extracting classes, interfaces, inlining functions, extracting functions/methods)

- built-in database explorer

- built-in Git support (I have struggled mightily with VSCodes git interactions - but this might just be an individual preference)

- markdown/html previews

Basically, I barely have to get out of the IDE.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by luckylion »

jmward01 wrote: post #15

I had my (somewhat) breakup when they started advertising their code assistant at me. My IDE is my home. You push an advertisement at me and I get mad. I killed my subscription (with 1/2 a year left) and loaded the old version and haven't looked back. I will eventually give it up completely since new python versions aren't supported for debugging but oh well.

It was also just plain strange. I don't know what they are doing to squeeze more money out of the tokens they sell, but using jetbrains' AI package always delivered significantly worse results for vs using the providers directly, and it was unbearably slow. But it appears that all of that falls on deaf ears at jetbrains, who are convinced that's the way forward, and they should become a vibe-coding system.

it's sad, but what can you do.

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