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Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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Post by mentos »

andrekandre wrote: post #207
mentos wrote: post #198

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Smart phones are what made social media toxic. The last sacred mile of our social lives has been invaded and corrupted no? No one enjoys a concert or sunset without feeling the need to capture and share it. Who is to blame for that? Steve Jobs

> Smart phones are what made social media toxic. i dont know about that... usenet was a toxic mess alot of the time waaaay back, and facebook used on pc alot of the time is a total cesspool, same with 4chan etc etc... smartphones just made it more accessible, but it was always there...

I appreciate what you're saying but is the problem with fast food that people have always been hungry?

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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Post by andrekandre »

mentos wrote: post #211
andrekandre wrote: post #207

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> Smart phones are what made social media toxic. i dont know about that... usenet was a toxic mess alot of the time waaaay back, and facebook used on pc alot of the time is a total cesspool, same with 4chan etc etc... smartphones just made it more accessible, but it was always there...

I appreciate what you're saying but is the problem with fast food that people have always been hungry?

probably the problem with fastfood is that its preying on our human bias for fats and salts and doesn't provide much beyond that

we probably arent super disagreeing anyways, all im saying is its kind of like blaming uber eats for delivering lots of junk food to everyone when the problem is the junk food

in other words, probably we should think about why we allow these social media companies to prey on our human biases.

hypothetical, but would you still be against smartphones if facebook or 4chan etc didn't exist or was illegal as a business? if so, whats the reason?

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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Post by jjtheblunt »

pjmlp wrote: post #178
jjtheblunt wrote: post #164

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It's also just absurd that they assert NeXT is largely forgotten, while writing for an audience very likely to include people fully aware of NeXT.

My graduation thesis was porting a visualisation framework from Objective-C/NeXTSTEP into C++/Windows 95, because my supervisor wanted a way out for his research. His cube was collecting dust on the office corner. This is how much hope people had on NeXT before the Apple deal came to be.

I wrote my thesis on a NeXT with latex2e , in my case about adding explicit parallelism constructs to SetL and dynamically load balancing shared memory multiprocessing to the associated runtime. There's evidently two of us!

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Post by Nevermark »

antfarm wrote: post #193
Nevermark wrote: post #126

> I think they’re still going to make great [software]. It’s just not going to be the cutting-edge anymore. This is what I see. The biggest test was the Vision Pro. Amazing hardware but only "another iOS" software vision for it, which is a tremendous dropped ball. Another toy-app/media kiosk with its service subscription lanyard. To me, the Vision Pro screams out that it wants to have a richer interface than a Mac, w…

The worst thing about the Vision Pro is that Apple tried to unify the UI of visionOS, iOS and macOS (at least to a degree), resulting in suboptimal solutions for the latter platforms.

I agree with that. That is a second order mistake on their part.

They didn't even get the Vision OS right first.

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Post by pjmlp »

tracerbulletx wrote: post #209
pjmlp wrote: post #176

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Apple fans live in a bubble, crushed what? Apple doesn't do servers, they decided to get out of that market. Apple decided it doesn't care about workstation market any longer. The desktop market worldwide is about 10%. The mobile devices market worldwide is about 30%. Sure it crushed, in the few countries where Apple rules like North America.

If you dont think apple silicon and rosetta rollout was a massively successful and high difficulty technical accomplishment I dont really know what to tell you. Just look at the windows ecosystems attempts to roll out arm devices. I can still use my 900 dollar m1 macbook air for almost anything and I have a desktop computer with 128gigs of memory and a 5090. And the battery lasts for days to the point I barely think…

Apple has been doing it since the Power PC days, hardly news.

As did Alpha with Windows NT x86 executables.

It was impressive back in the 1990's.

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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Post by pjmlp »

coldtea wrote: post #203
pjmlp wrote: post #175

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Nokia is hardly a footnote, they even own UNIX birthplace nowadays. People only know Nokia Mobiles, however Nokia Neteworks never went away and is more than healthy, owning plenty of key telecommunications infrastructure world wide.

> Nokia is hardly a footnote, they even own UNIX birthplace nowadays. It's not exactly the pinnacle of corporate achievement owning a non-relevant for decades labs. Might as well own the birthplace of ENIAC too. But also not very relevant to the discussion: Nokia had the infrastructure busines to rely on, while it's consumer side tanked. Apple only had the tanking consumer side. That side of Nokia is what we're compa…

What matters is being critical infrastructure for others to actually use their iPhones.

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Post by flomo »

mrandish wrote: post #208
flomo wrote: post #171

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> "the Macintosh itself was not a commercial success" which is another strange claim Macintosh was in fact not successful for many years, and Apple survived by chanting "Apple II Forever!" at their legacy edu market. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcjlhFVTY50 Also the fail Apple III was Jobs' machine. Scully and Gasse made the Macintosh II line successful by marketing expensive workstations to creative professionals…

We probably don't disagree on much but nuanced details, which is why I said it was a "strange claim" instead of "incorrect". Being a retro-head who lived through those days obsessively watching every twist and turn... with "strange claim" I was trying to convey it's a "commercial success" is a nuanced judgement on which reasonable people can disagree and any such absolute claims require clear definition of terms, sco…

I think everyone knew the Macintosh was a technical success and "the future". But it was a commercial flop, and Steve Jobs got fired. So obviously he wan't happy about that.

(The Mac press back then loved to portray Jobs as some insane cocaine addict, and local gossip backed that up. Probably not in his biographies, but that would get you fired.)

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Post by flomo »

pjmlp wrote: post #189
flomo wrote: post #185

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Hey PJ, I like your posts because you have the historical background on a lot of this stuff that industry has mostly forgotten. But... Since you mentioned it, I actually have read J2EE and WebObjects documentation. And I conclude that WebObjects was shit. It drew the 'Web MVC' line at the completely wrong place. Nobody ever cared about about DOEs or whatever, they just wanted a database driver. You look at this huge…

Successful in some domains. The daily Rails projects on HN is long gone, people eventually moved on into Clojure, than Elixir, Gleam, nowadays I lost track where to. Some folks that missed out history lessons are now trying CORBA/J2EE with WebAssembly, WIT, and Kubernetes.

Yeah, I chose Rails just an example, could be PHP, could be Elixir, could be this dumbass bun shit, whatever is cool man and get you that VC.

I cannot recall any 'Show HNs' based on J2EE, not that it doesn't work.

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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Post by pjmlp »

flomo wrote: post #219
pjmlp wrote: post #189

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Successful in some domains. The daily Rails projects on HN is long gone, people eventually moved on into Clojure, than Elixir, Gleam, nowadays I lost track where to. Some folks that missed out history lessons are now trying CORBA/J2EE with WebAssembly, WIT, and Kubernetes.

Yeah, I chose Rails just an example, could be PHP, could be Elixir, could be this dumbass bun shit, whatever is cool man and get you that VC. I cannot recall any 'Show HNs' based on J2EE, not that it doesn't work.

Usually enterprise apps don't do Show HNs.
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