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> and Mac OS would have been replaced by something The facts are: The only other contender was BeOS, after Talligent flopped and Copland imploded. But Louis-Gassée overplayed his hand. Source: all of the (other) Steve Jobs books
They did a serious technical evaluation of MS WinNT. They also obviously knew about Linux. Sources: same as yours.
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NeXT would have died and Mac OS would have been replaced by something . All macOS is is just a different window manager (to borrow a Unix term). Windows and Linux probably be more dominant . macOS is a better system than classic macOS when you realize you still have access to the NeXT internals and even many applications in utilities are really GUIs on top of command line utilities and you can roll back many features…
> All macOS is is just a different window manager This dramatically undersells what MacOS is and was. It was way beyond just a window manager. From its inception in the 1980s it included a set of APIs that allowed developers to build sophisticated (and consistent) GUI applications with comparatively little effort. eg Quark Xpress, Illustrator, Photoshop, Excel, Word By the end of the classic Mac era in the late 1990s…
It is only on UNIX land that is a mess, the only thing that people have managed to agree on are POSIX, and Khronos APIs.
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All that is true, but only the first part of the story. The OpenStep stuff was also not really successful and effectively became a very expensive MS Windows dev tool (or least that's where 99% of revenue came from). Next's only real successful product was WebObjects. (Which imo was a terrible take on a web server framework and it was just about to be obliterated by J2EE when Apple bought them out.) eta: I guess its f…
J2EE was born out of a Objective-C framework based on collaboration between Sun and NeXT, actually.
WebObjects was fundamentally just a bad abstraction, so good thing too.
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J2EE was born out of a Objective-C framework based on collaboration between Sun and NeXT, actually.
I can believe that, but I recall some tradepress article about more than 100 companies selling non-java 'web middleware' who got bowled over by J2EE, and otherwise Next would have just been another one of those. That was Sun's strategy, not Next's. WebObjects was fundamentally just a bad abstraction, so good thing too.
If you know J2EE 1.0 and read the WebObjects for Java documentation, there will be very similar examples.
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I can believe that, but I recall some tradepress article about more than 100 companies selling non-java 'web middleware' who got bowled over by J2EE, and otherwise Next would have just been another one of those. That was Sun's strategy, not Next's. WebObjects was fundamentally just a bad abstraction, so good thing too.
Here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Objects_Everywhere If you know J2EE 1.0 and read the WebObjects for Java documentation, there will be very similar examples.
But... Since you mentioned it, I actually have read J2EE and WebObjects documentation. And I conclude that WebObjects was shit. It drew the 'Web MVC' line at the completely wrong place. Nobody ever cared about about DOEs or whatever, they just wanted a database driver. You look at this huge pile of industry crap and its no wonder why Rails was successful.
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They did a serious technical evaluation of MS WinNT. They also obviously knew about Linux. Sources: same as yours.
To the point Apple had their own Linux distro for a little while, MkLinux.
Is it really forgotten considering it gets mentioned almost everytime he is?
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To the point Apple had their own Linux distro for a little while, MkLinux.
Checked this on wikipedia, and MkLinux came out after they bought Next. ("The mach kernel company"). But obviously everyone in this space knew about Linux.
This was during the fight for survival phase.
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Here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Objects_Everywhere If you know J2EE 1.0 and read the WebObjects for Java documentation, there will be very similar examples.
Hey PJ, I like your posts because you have the historical background on a lot of this stuff that industry has mostly forgotten. But... Since you mentioned it, I actually have read J2EE and WebObjects documentation. And I conclude that WebObjects was shit. It drew the 'Web MVC' line at the completely wrong place. Nobody ever cared about about DOEs or whatever, they just wanted a database driver. You look at this huge…
The daily Rails projects on HN is long gone, people eventually moved on into Clojure, than Elixir, Gleam, nowadays I lost track where to.
Some folks that missed out history lessons are now trying CORBA/J2EE with WebAssembly, WIT, and Kubernetes.
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Checked this on wikipedia, and MkLinux came out after they bought Next. ("The mach kernel company"). But obviously everyone in this space knew about Linux.
Yes, before they decided what "Mac OS the Copland replacement" would actually look like. This was during the fight for survival phase.