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Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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I wish that all of these sort of efforts would be folded into GNUstep: gnustep.org and that we would arrive at something useful and easily installed and widely accepted.

They don't even support Objective-C latest, as GCC only supports what NeXT was obliged to upstream.

I'm pretty sure that's just the runtime.

Trivial to support. There is probably some AI slop for it. The main issue is providing an object platform people want to use.

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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It's batshit that people still talk like apple is lost technically when apple silicon has absolutely crushed, airpods are the default headphone of the world, and macbooks are the best overall package available at all price points. And why? because they arent interested in VR and the glass aesthetic is kind of janky? Absolutely minor issues.

Apple fans live in a bubble, crushed what? Apple doesn't do servers, they decided to get out of that market. Apple decided it doesn't care about workstation market any longer. The desktop market worldwide is about 10%. The mobile devices market worldwide is about 30%. Sure it crushed, in the few countries where Apple rules like North America.

Apple detractors also live in a bubble. Apple was always after profit share not market share. They have 20% market share for mobile devices globally, which is still the highest among all the brands. But their profit share is an estimated 80%. How’s that not crushing it? Btw they don’t have to be in every product market under the sun. It’s a bizarre observation. Getting out of the businesses where they don’t have margins perfectly makes sense.

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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> I think they’re still going to make great [software]. It’s just not going to be the cutting-edge anymore. This is what I see. The biggest test was the Vision Pro. Amazing hardware but only "another iOS" software vision for it, which is a tremendous dropped ball. Another toy-app/media kiosk with its service subscription lanyard. To me, the Vision Pro screams out that it wants to have a richer interface than a Mac, w…

The worst thing about the Vision Pro is that Apple tried to unify the UI of visionOS, iOS and macOS (at least to a degree), resulting in suboptimal solutions for the latter platforms.

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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> I think they’re still going to make great [software]. It’s just not going to be the cutting-edge anymore. This is what I see. The biggest test was the Vision Pro. Amazing hardware but only "another iOS" software vision for it, which is a tremendous dropped ball. Another toy-app/media kiosk with its service subscription lanyard. To me, the Vision Pro screams out that it wants to have a richer interface than a Mac, w…

> enable entirely new modes of interaction. AI allows 3D content to be created in more efficient ways than ever before. A perfect and novel fit for spacial hardware and software, that natural habitat for 3D.

If we're certain, and it's clear, that the technology allows for "entirely new [anything]s," why aren't you listing any of them? What are they? Why do you think you can see these so clearly, whereas the teams and engineers actually working on the technology apparently didn't or don't?

How many 3d interfaces exist in the real world, in contrast to (essentially) 2d? Can you think of any computer interfaces where adding a third dimension resulted in a better experience?

> I believe Steve Jobs would have gone all in, to deliver the next big thing in software interfaces

Jobs was a proponent of skeuomorphism in interfaces, which is precisely not the "next big thing" in interfaces but rather "what we already know and are comfortable with."

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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> Apple was not days away from going bust. They were months away... They just... This is historical revisionism, and there's a lot of it around, where Apple is concerned. Since those days, Apple has done a great job of controlling the narrative in the media, and has managed to bury a great deal of what was written back then. Microsoft was in the middle of one of their antitrust investigations, where they were accused…

The Microsoft deal was originally negotiated by Gil Amelio, and while the monetary investment is what got the headlines and is what people remember, the most important part of the negotiations to Apple was that Microsoft committed to keep developing Microsoft Office for the Mac, which they had been threatening to cancel due to the platforms insignificance. Without Office, the Mac had no future.

Yeah that was a big part of it, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it more important than preventing immediate bankruptcy.

"We'll give you a wodge of cash and we'll keep supplying Office for Mac, so you can continue to supply the market with a rival to our OS at a volume that's insignificant to us, but just significant enough to prevent Windows from falling under the DoJ's definition of a monopoly".

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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post #179

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They don't even support Objective-C latest, as GCC only supports what NeXT was obliged to upstream.

I'm pretty sure that's just the runtime. Trivial to support. There is probably some AI slop for it. The main issue is providing an object platform people want to use.

Objective-C 2.0+ also has syntax and semantic updates, besides the whole weak references, and ARC improvements.

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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post #176

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Apple fans live in a bubble, crushed what? Apple doesn't do servers, they decided to get out of that market. Apple decided it doesn't care about workstation market any longer. The desktop market worldwide is about 10%. The mobile devices market worldwide is about 30%. Sure it crushed, in the few countries where Apple rules like North America.

Apple detractors also live in a bubble. Apple was always after profit share not market share. They have 20% market share for mobile devices globally, which is still the highest among all the brands. But their profit share is an estimated 80%. How’s that not crushing it? Btw they don’t have to be in every product market under the sun. It’s a bizarre observation. Getting out of the businesses where they don’t have marg…

20% of the market doesn't last forever, eventually those people are gone from planet Earth.

Ferrari isn't crushing it, regardless how you sell their profits over the car industry.

Apple wants to be the Ferrari from computers, which cuts their growth opportunities.

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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post #132

Did smart phones ruin society?

more like social media (but isn't this a bit off topic?)

Smart phones are what made social media toxic.

The last sacred mile of our social lives has been invaded and corrupted no?

No one enjoys a concert or sunset without feeling the need to capture and share it.

Who is to blame for that?

Steve Jobs

Re: Steve Jobs in Exile – New book on his years at NeXT Computer

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> and Mac OS would have been replaced by something The facts are: The only other contender was BeOS, after Talligent flopped and Copland imploded. But Louis-Gassée overplayed his hand. Source: all of the (other) Steve Jobs books

To put this into more context Apple really needed a modern kernel that for some reason had been tried multiple times and failed . Microsoft succeeded with Windows NT. Practically the acquisition of any company was motivated to just move a GUI with macOS classic like design but modern features like memory protection. I never really understood why Apple had a hard time with this.

The original Mac OS was hack on top of hack to make the GUI work on the 1984 hardware. It couldn’t be retroactively modernized the way they wanted.
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