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Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by jona-f »

GJim wrote: post #451
monegator wrote: post #447

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>cars in the UK/EU have no such privacy invading features If you say so. Maybe if you buy the car with cash, but if you finance it you are leasing from a company that has definetly accepted all the terms and conditions to capture and sell all the telemetry to various parties >without an explicit opt-in check out at a modern volvo/audi/whatever, they are making it so difficult to say no every single time the screen is…

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> It is illegal in the UK/EU to make provision of a service dependent on allowing your personal data to be sold to third parties.

Nobody seems to care and this isn't enforced at all.

It is very hard to live in Germany without having a google account. Many services are only offered via phone-app that is only available through play-store. I'd have to use apks from questionable, untrusted third-party websites.

Good luck finding an employer that doesn't require you to have a microsoft account.

The EU is not the privacy paradise some make it seem to be. It's a corrupt, bureaucratic, exploitive nightmare with some splashes of democracy here and there.

Von der Leyen is the perfectly ridiculous representative, she left nothing but corruption, collusion and incompetence in her wake.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by bobmcnamara »

PinguTS wrote: post #460

Be careful messing with your (modern) car like this. It may work at first glance. In some time in the future you may not be able to unlock your car. As mentioned in the article as part of the introduction, there were problems with those car regarding security. Especially with the Rav4 where a colleague, Ken Tindell, showed a very serious flaw: https://kentindell.github.io/2023/04/03/can-injection/ Because of this OEM…

It's a Toyota - you already can't unlock it in heavy rain.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by monegator »

GJim wrote: post #451
monegator wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>cars in the UK/EU have no such privacy invading features If you say so. Maybe if you buy the car with cash, but if you finance it you are leasing from a company that has definetly accepted all the terms and conditions to capture and sell all the telemetry to various parties >without an explicit opt-in check out at a modern volvo/audi/whatever, they are making it so difficult to say no every single time the screen is…

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I'm in europe and I work with cars, pal.

nagware is absolutely not for safety features. Deny the terms and conditions and every time you start the car you have at least three screens you have to scroll and click buttons. It is a very recent feature, have seen it on models from january onwards.

BTW: You also want to deny that because if you agree you also agree to update the system at their will (many cases on the press of them fucking it up, bricking cars requiring ECU replacement. A couple of manufactures i won't mention fucked that up as badly as using two different ECU makes for the same car model, and sending the wrong binary and the bootloader happily accepting it. All without user approving the update beforehand. All happening in the background. Car stops at the sign, ECU reboots and dies.)

You also have constant nagware when you disable the tracking features in software.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by lucianbr »

GJim wrote: post #455
jaapz wrote: post #453

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> So do you think UK/EU vehicle manufactures are deliberately in mass breach of data privacy law... fully knowing the cost of a consumer backlash, fines and vehicle recall costs to fix any law breach? They were also in mass breach of vehicle emission laws. The fact that there was some backlash (although people didn't really stop buying VAG cars), people got prosecuted, the company got fined, didn't really change thei…

ONE company did it (not a mass of them), resulting in massive fines and prosecutions; they certainly aren't going to do it again! I'd also suggest the backlash from breaches in data privacy would be much larger than from fiddling emissions tests (as evil as the latter was, it actually saved many customers money on a (more polluting) car with higher performance).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal#O...

> After news broke out of Volkswagen cheating on diesel emissions, multiple other vehicle manufacturers got caught falsifying emissions data, as well as exceeding legal emission limits. This uncovered a greater industry-wide issue that goes far beyond only Volkswagen Group.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by bitparadox »

I have a few year old Volkswagen. I'm security conscious and made sure to disable all the data collection I could find in the companion app, turn off remote access services, dig through the infotainment to turn off what I could, etc.

Last year I requested a Carfax on it, and one of the fields in the request was current mileage. I entered an estimate like 75000 miles. On form submission, that field failed validation with the red subtext along the lines of 'this is less than the last reported mileage of 75345, reported '. Checking my odometer and looking at my past few days' trips, that was indeed accurate.

The car hadn't been to a shop or out of my possession in weeks, so I can only assume the telemetry was still dialing home and selling to third parties despite my best efforts to disable it.

Anecdotal and not unexpected in the grand scheme, but it still surprised me.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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monegator wrote: post #473
GJim wrote: post #451

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I'm in europe and I work with cars, pal. nagware is absolutely not for safety features. Deny the terms and conditions and every time you start the car you have at least three screens you have to scroll and click buttons. It is a very recent feature, have seen it on models from january onwards. BTW: You also want to deny that because if you agree you also agree to update the system at their will (many cases on the pre…

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by GJim »

monegator wrote: post #473
GJim wrote: post #451

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I'm in europe and I work with cars, pal. nagware is absolutely not for safety features. Deny the terms and conditions and every time you start the car you have at least three screens you have to scroll and click buttons. It is a very recent feature, have seen it on models from january onwards. BTW: You also want to deny that because if you agree you also agree to update the system at their will (many cases on the pre…

A class action lawsuit in the making! Pal.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by GJim »

jona-f wrote: post #471
GJim wrote: post #451

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> It is illegal in the UK/EU to make provision of a service dependent on allowing your personal data to be sold to third parties. Nobody seems to care and this isn't enforced at all. It is very hard to live in Germany without having a google account. Many services are only offered via phone-app that is only available through play-store. I'd have to use apks from questionable, untrusted third-party websites. Good luck…

> It is very hard to live in Germany without having a google account

Which in the EU/UK, is subject to data protection law; including compulsory opt-in for sharing personal data!

Granted, the scummy adtech industry push the law to the limit ("legitimate use"), meaning we need better regulation, not less.

> The EU is not the privacy paradise some make it seem to be

Nobody said anything about paradise, though considering the unrestrained nature of adtech in the USA, I certainly know under which laws I'd rather my (and others) personal data is kept.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by throw_a_grenade »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #98
drnick1 wrote: post #29

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You need GrapheneOS to sever the link to Google. You can also deny specify apps and services Internet access.

Is android auto still available with Graphene? AA is genuinely one of the few life-changing features introduced in the last decade that I'd prefer not to go without.

Mostly works, some stuff doesn't. The worst thing that doesn't work is alternative maps (e.g. OsmAnd).
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