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Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Because no company has ever broken the law before

What a ridiculous argument!

So what is the point in having laws then?

No doubt you believe any adtech request for personal data should be met by the subject promptly bending over and grabbing their ankles with both hands?

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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I was looking into this with Teslas. Apparently the car will not be bricked if you cut the antenna wires. They are in the side mirrors (both sides) and the wires are exposed when you pull the interior door panels. If you then charge only at home you’re even more private than gas cars, which must stop at gas stations with cameras. But both types of vehicles are easily spotted with Flock cameras. And if you keep your p…

>Gas stations with cameras. Everything has cameras these days. On my street almost every house has a cloud connected camera. Every major road has cameras, every store and business. Now I’m not suggesting we give up the fight for privacy but avoiding gas stations does nothing

That’s specifically why I said ”Flock cameras”. Also mentioned our phones, they also report our location.

I suspect soon cameras in other cars will also be reporting our whereabouts.

Absolute privacy is almost impossible on public roads.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Modern cars are horrible. I recently discovered that all new cars sold in the EU constantly beep at you for supposedly speeding, even though the system doesn’t work well, and it has to be turned off every time you start the car.

They beep when you go above the speed limit, and only for a couple seconds. If they do that 'constantly' the problem is in the driver's seat... It takes two seconds to turn off in my car (though by law it has to reset on every drive), but I never bother. In situations where it's "ok" to drive a little over the limit, it's a small price to pay and a gentle reminder.

> They beep when you go above the speed limit, and only for a couple seconds.

No. They beep when they think I go above the speed limit.

Technically it is wrong 100% of time because the car underreports the speed. But even if we agree to ignore that fact, it is still wrong constantly because the car doesn't have nearly enough sensors and compute power to actually figure out what's the limit at the moment.

Thus this feature is as useful as cookie banners.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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The reason I think this is a bad idea is that it lulls you into a false sense of security. The article makes recommendations that seem thorough and sensible - keyword "seem" - but, as mentioned elsewhere here, there are other potential hidden sources of telemetry (in CarPlay and Android Auto), and who knows what else. For this kind of thing to succeed as a general lifestyle, you would need to invest an enormous amoun…

If you disconnect the modem, the car can't share any information by itself. In my opinion, that is a huge win.

There is no way to know for sure that this data is not collected somewhere inside the car and then uploaded at dealer's.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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The 2024 Ford Maverick has a single fuse for the telematics unit that you can remove without throwing a code or an error. No idea if this remained true after the 2025-2026 refresh, but worth knowing. https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/telematics-f...

Kias have a “Massachusetts mode” flag hidden behind a service menu (that needs a dealer code) that disables telematics at the owner’s request. However, the service menu pin also has timeout protection that will inject a waiting period between retries so there is no guessing. I don’t think there’s convincing my dealer to get into the service menu and disabling it. I would presume that other manufacturers might have th…

I was able to enter dealer mode on my 2023 Kia using this tutorial. https://youtu.be/Q2AEhGYnOaA

It let me disable telematics, and Kia support confirmed that my car was flagged as a "Massachusetts variant" even though it wasn't purchased in MA.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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I have the same car and want to do this, but not for the reasons the author noted but because the GPS unit in the car is broken when paired with Carplay and has the wrong compass heading causing navigation to be completely useless. I have reported this to Toyota multiple times with videos detailing the problem and they have denied the problem and ultimately when faced with the evidence simply refused to fix it. I've…

Some brands take software very seriously. This isn't an "entire industry" problem. My experience is pretty small; I've owned the same Tesla Model 3 LR for the last 6.5 years, and the software has been pretty much solid the entire time. There was briefly a problem with echos when I called land lines using the bluetooth and my iPhone, but that problem eventually went away - not clear if it was because the iPhone change…

I had an M3LR during 2021/22 as a company car and during that time they “refreshed” the UI completely which made it objectively worse as a means of interacting with your car (i.e. more taps/levels/menus to get the same simple things done).

Aside from that, it was always pretty solid and IMO better than the typical legacy manufacturer offering.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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This is one of those things that can't ever be solved with individual solutions but needs to be solved through legislation and standards, and ideally a fundamental right to privacy (and a fundamental redefinition of what privacy means when it comes to corporate surveillance of individuals).

Needless to say, cars in the UK/EU have no such privacy invading features without an explicit opt-in thanks to sensible data protection legislation; including the GDPR. The FUD spouted on here by the scummy adtech industry about legislation to protect YOUR privacy is mind boggling. These are the people doing the digital equivalent of sniffing your underwear to work out what you had for breakfast. (And before somebody…

>cars in the UK/EU have no such privacy invading features If you say so.

Maybe if you buy the car with cash, but if you finance it you are leasing from a company that has definetly accepted all the terms and conditions to capture and sell all the telemetry to various parties

>without an explicit opt-in

check out at a modern volvo/audi/whatever, they are making it so difficult to say no every single time the screen is powered on

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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post #318

Can't do that in Fr*nce and likely other European countries, all vehicles must have eCall and your vechicle might not pass the mandatory routine check you need to do once in a while to be allowed on the road. Hope you like biking a lot.

There's going to be a lot of value in keeping cars from 5-10+ years ago around indefinitely.

Until they're outlawed for the poor because "they pollute way too much"

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Your phone voluntarily tags the hotspot data with specific TTL values which carriers use to segment the data. Not all carriers work the same though.

Specifically it decrements the TTL of routed packets, so hotspot traffic will tend to have a TTL of 63 instead of 64. You could theoretically disable this at the risk of creating infinite routing loops, although android probably makes it inaccessible if the kernel has a setting for it at all, so you might have to rewrite packets in user space.

It has been a long time since I've done this, but:

If your Android is rooted, it's pretty easy to get tethering working. There's magisk modules that can fix the TTL problem and/or disable the hidden carrier-installed software that Android will ask for permission before enabling tethering.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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I have the same car and want to do this, but not for the reasons the author noted but because the GPS unit in the car is broken when paired with Carplay and has the wrong compass heading causing navigation to be completely useless. I have reported this to Toyota multiple times with videos detailing the problem and they have denied the problem and ultimately when faced with the evidence simply refused to fix it. I've…

I have exactly the same problem in my (latest-model) Honda Civic / Android Auto! I thought I was going crazy, I'm glad to hear someone else has the same problem. The only fix I've found is to disconnect the phone and use its map standalone, just sending audio over Bluetooth. Maybe it's possible to get Android Auto or Carplay to reject GPS data from the car? I don't know...

I had the same problem with my Skoda, but it was fixed under warranty, albeit it took 7 months for them to do it, although they've acknowledged it from day one.

I use Apple CarPlay and one thing that consistently worked was starting the navigation on the phone before it connected to the car.

Otherwise, the fix is relatively simple and cheap: the ECU has to be replaced, it doesn't cost too much, but it's pretty labour intensive.

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