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Princeton mandates proctoring for in-person exams, upending 133 year precedent

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Post by typs »

i_am_proteus wrote: post #30

The technical ability for the student to cheat in the present day is unprecedented. For exams in most subjects, the cellular phone is held in the lap. The student needs only briefly expose the exam page to the camera of the phone: immediate photograph of the page, ingestion of the page by an artificial intelligence, and then: the student flips the page to view the side exposed to the camera, and glances down to see t…

I mean, so many graded assignments are online now that very little technology is needed to cheat. I would guess that is the largest driver in increased cheating at universities.

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Post by bluegatty »

CSMastermind wrote: post #275

People blame AI but in reality it's more about America transitioning from a high-trust society to a low-trust one.

Maybe a bit that - but it's far more the change of elite 'class' institutions - to elite 'competitive' institutions.

'Grades Did Not Matter' 100 years ago so much.

It was where 'the only educated people sent their kids to be educated'.

Or maybe the nouveau riche bourgois did.

Now it's a 'Giant International Competition'.

You can see this where students are competitive with grades elsewhere in the world.

They're competing for jobs at OpenAI among a million others.

I'm shamed to admit I can't remember the quote from someone who lamented the fact that traditionally people 'knew their place' and there was on some level a quietude in that, a zen - but when 'anyone can be anything' it creates hyper competition, anxiety, sense of failure for most people who can never live up to being the 'most exceptional at whatever', and the constant stress of 'keeping up with the Jones's'.

See: Instagram - it's not pictures of family and friends - it's almost entirely 'social competition through lifestyle narration' ... which that includes University's as 'brand'.

Hence the competition.

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Post by zerocrates »

busyant wrote: post #346

I was a grad student @ Princeton a handful of decades ago. I was a TA for a few classes and, given the honor code, we did not proctor the exams for undergrads. We just handed them out (left the room) and returned to collect them at the end. - One of the exams in a course that I TAed had 5 free-response questions. - There were also 5 TAs in that class, so we un-stapled the exams and each TA graded one question (for co…

So, they didn't face any consequences. Did they at least keep the original grade or was this so well explained they also got the re-grade?

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Post by Longlius »

throwaway198846 wrote: post #276
CSMastermind wrote: post #275

People blame AI but in reality it's more about America transitioning from a high-trust society to a low-trust one.

When was the USA a high trust society?

Given your username, you're not going to like the answer to that question.

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Post by btrettel »

busyant wrote: post #346

I was a grad student @ Princeton a handful of decades ago. I was a TA for a few classes and, given the honor code, we did not proctor the exams for undergrads. We just handed them out (left the room) and returned to collect them at the end. - One of the exams in a course that I TAed had 5 free-response questions. - There were also 5 TAs in that class, so we un-stapled the exams and each TA graded one question (for co…

I had a similar experience when I was a TA at UT Austin that I wrote about on HN years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23163472

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Post by bloqs »

fhn wrote: post #329
heggerd wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

you're just racist

It later resolves, but by definition of the human condition, it does initially I'm afraid. It's less about colour and more about values and creed

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Post by busyant »

zerocrates wrote: post #353
busyant wrote: post #346

I was a grad student @ Princeton a handful of decades ago. I was a TA for a few classes and, given the honor code, we did not proctor the exams for undergrads. We just handed them out (left the room) and returned to collect them at the end. - One of the exams in a course that I TAed had 5 free-response questions. - There were also 5 TAs in that class, so we un-stapled the exams and each TA graded one question (for co…

So, they didn't face any consequences. Did they at least keep the original grade or was this so well explained they also got the re-grade?

Unfortunately, I don't remember except that it seemed unjust to all the students who didn't cheat.

She certainly wasn't penalized, but I don't remember if she was given credit for her answer to Q2.

iirc, the student stopped attending my recitation after that.

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Post by bdangubic »

asdff wrote: post #342
bdangubic wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came to this country as an immigrant and one of the first memories I have was walking to the gas station to get the Sunday paper for my host father. I remember opening up the door and seeing tens of Sunday papers and was taken aback thinking how can this be, wouldn't someone just put in a quarter and take ALL of the Sunday papers home with her/him. In today's society (and especially if we are talking Princeton-like…

There is no benefit to taking all the newspapers out of the stack. What do you do next? Try and hawk them to people walking by? Candy though, you can eat all that candy.

see I often wonder the same thing like why would you take 20 newspapers when you don’t need 19 of them but human mind works in misterious ways. my answer would be cause it is free and I’ll burn the 19 of them in my backyard for fun. or just like “it is ‘free’ I am taking it!”

I had a similar experience going to an all-you-can-eat restaurant for the first time. the universal reaction from anyone I talked to about this experience (same as mine) was “there is no way in hell place like this in my home country would be in business more than a month.” people be eating not until full but until their body would physically reject additional food :)

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