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Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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>Rational, evidence-based skeptics like Mick are doomed to Sisyphean toil because even after they've resoundingly explained a hundred vague claims, UFO (and Chem-Trail, Flat Earth, etc) true believers will always find a new one to hitch their belief to. Right. And I do think that meticulous effort is invaluable because it heightens the cost of cognitive dissonance which can be important to reaching people on the side…

> But it makes you wonder if the debunking community should be a bit more intentional about intercepting whatever these psychological processes are that make people immune to evidence-based correction, and target those mechanisms the same meticulousness in patients of a debunk. You haven't spent much time arguing with people who refuse to listen to any evidence at all, have you? The "psychological processes" you desc…

> nobody is going to tell them otherwise

Indeed. As an example, there was a one-line response far down-thread from my GP which basically said only "Mick West is not credible" (which the poster has since deleted). I found this remarkable because Mick West, more than any skeptic I've seen, meticulously cites all his sources and doggedly sticks to only well-evidenced, fully supported facts. No broad claims, blanket dismissals, appeals to authority or consensus. He just does the work of collating relevant evidence and practical experiments which anyone can confirm and replicate for themselves. Because he's not asking us to trust anything we can't verify ourselves, his credibility is irrelevant.

Which made me want to reply, "If Mick West isn't credible, name one source of evidence which counters UFO true belief who IS credible in your opinion?" The obvious point being, there are none, because their belief is unfalsifiable. But then I remembered why engaging with those holding unfalsifiable beliefs is futile... the main point of your post. :-)

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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He doesn't seem to explain the recently popular "transients" though.

what are transients?

Transients are tiny spots which occasionally occurred in the film emulsion of photographic sky surveys taken prior to 1957 when satellites were first launched. They are called transient because they're only seen in one ~hour-long photographic exposure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aligned,_Multiple-transient_Ev...

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/transients-in-the-palomar-o...

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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For anyone else who has a UFO-crazy uncle, I've found Mick West's YouTube channel to be invaluable https://www.youtube.com/c/mickwest . Mick is a retired video game programmer (Spider Man, Guitar Hero, Tony Hawk), who does extremely well-researched videos analyzing UFO claims. He's not flashy or trying to be entertaining, just thorough, evidence-based and scientifically rigorous. He'll even do controlled experiments,…

The reality is that your uncle is just making fun of you behind your back to his believer friends.

Why bother trying to reeducate someone youre already disparaging online? Does it make you feel better?

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Or "the public asked the government for transparency about sex trafficking, maybe it isn't transparency for the government to excitedly reveal the contents of a sandwich are a nothingburger"

Are these your thoughts when you're having a lunch?

I don't tend to rely on whatever scraps the US govt feeds me for lunch. YMMV.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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I feel it premature on the data to offer any at all. Also inappropriate for me to explain because I don't want the role, nor to bias any. I am content with the mystery and will see what shows up. Re this latest "drop" - I am in the absorb and observe phase, analysis is only passive background, if at all, I think. I'm grateful for the entertainment and the sense of "gov't doing something people want/revealing somethin…

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I actually don't mind the downvoting so much. Everybody's entitled to their opinion. And that's just what I'm giving my humble "mumbling" opinion. I am not a socialist, because I've lived through and escaped the most common type of communist socialism as practiced in modern-day isolated banana republics. Those who habitually defend that kind of existence, usually tend to have some sort of monetary dealings with the regimes or have not experienced its negative benefits. For the most part, supporters of regimes typically visit as tourists, forbidden from visiting the sickening parts of that landscape.

But I digress. With regards to foreign policy and why politicians do what they do, life is not black and white. There is always a reason behind everything whether you're a "Righty Tighty or Lefty Lucy". Since I'm being cast as a biased villain, I'll refer all my detractors to a more informed group of persons to provide more plausible reasons for the IRAN war: https://fb.watch/G-nbX_YMWq/

Former Presidents' Policies towards IRAN: https://fb.watch/G-oJWeu2nt/

I can't find the original interview, but I'm sure there is more to it than what is said in these small snippets. But basically, self-preservation and regional control of lands and resources are and always have been major reasons for conflict. It's a dog-eat-dog world, unfortunately. Perhaps things will change when AI ushers in the "Age of Abundance," which with my luck, will be after I'm dead :(

Sol Roth: The Downvoted Man :)

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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I haven't really. Yes, it's reasonable to feel underwhelmed. I'm more interested in the normalization and development towards further disclosure than the exact specifics of digital records being released, which I expect to be relatively mundane. That's why it's not enough these days to just see something weird. There preferably needs to be elements of the 5 observables, and extensive witness testimony of the exact na…

These releases are nothing new - this is why it’s so frustrating. Trump just takes credit for everything. CIA releases from 2016: https://www.cia.gov/stories/story/take-a-peek-into-our-x-fil... NARA files related to ufos: https://www.archives.gov/research/topics/uaps UFO info from the UK: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/... (also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_UFO_Files and https://…

Correct.

But I disagree on one point: the publicity does help normalize discussion around UAPs. That’s arguably the main value of these releases. They simply get more people openly talking about the subject, and it moves the subject forward.

Whether it also conveniently serves other political purposes is beside the point as far as advancing UAP discourse is concerned.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Several of these look like balloons and birds. Two of them have already leaked before. Both of those are missiles being viewed with an infrared camera. One of them shows a missile passing through the field of view rapidly with a motion blur streak behind it. The other shows a missile performing maneuvers and a camera artifact showing a star-like diffraction+aperture artifact around the bright IR light source. None of…

For some reason, unlike most other commenters, yours doesn’t present the downvote button. I thought this might be a privilege of very high karma like other downvote-missing commenters i see sparsely lower down, but your karma is lower than mine and I get downvoted frequently enough. I’d like to understand HN’s community management functions better.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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It was an interesting thoery, but IMO his habit of making similar claims every time an interstellar object is discovered cast doubt on that original theory.

I'm not aware of any similar claims. I thought the other two interstellar objects were not anomalous.

You can read a summary on his Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avi_Loeb#Claims_about_alien_li...

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Several of these look like balloons and birds. Two of them have already leaked before. Both of those are missiles being viewed with an infrared camera. One of them shows a missile passing through the field of view rapidly with a motion blur streak behind it. The other shows a missile performing maneuvers and a camera artifact showing a star-like diffraction+aperture artifact around the bright IR light source. None of…

For some reason, unlike most other commenters, yours doesn’t present the downvote button. I thought this might be a privilege of very high karma like other downvote-missing commenters i see sparsely lower down, but your karma is lower than mine and I get downvoted frequently enough. I’d like to understand HN’s community management functions better.

Could it just be the comment is too old? IIRC, comments that are over ~24h old can no longer be downvoted.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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It used to be named the Department of War and Palmer Luckey suggested naming it back. People agreed, so they did. It's just another part of changing the posture to match the philosophy that the best defensive is a good offense. It seems to be working pretty well, if you know what we're defending against.

> It used to be named the Department of War No, it didn't. For a few years before it was the Department of Defense it was the National Military Establishment (with an initialism with a very unfortunate pronunciation given its function) and before that it didn't exist at all. Now, before the National Military Establishment was formed to unify the nations military bureaucracy, there were two separate cabinet level depa…

There are technicalities around all of this yes, but we used to have a Department of War with multiple branches of the military under it. Now we have a Department of War with multiple branches of the military under it. It's only named by executive order, which in practice is almost indistinguishable outside of some paperwork that few people will ever see. It's largely the spirit of the thing and the shift in communications posture.
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