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Post by rmunn »

SilentM68 wrote: post #426
keepamovin wrote: post #394

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I feel it premature on the data to offer any at all. Also inappropriate for me to explain because I don't want the role, nor to bias any. I am content with the mystery and will see what shows up. Re this latest "drop" - I am in the absorb and observe phase, analysis is only passive background, if at all, I think. I'm grateful for the entertainment and the sense of "gov't doing something people want/revealing somethin…

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The only reasons I can think of why your comment would have gotten downvoted is for ideological reasons, e.g. people dislike the president so they downvoted you for saying something even slightly positive about him.

Since HN is not supposed to be used for ideological battle, that seems unfair. So have a counterbalancing upvote.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by rmunn »

glenstein wrote: post #383
mrandish wrote: post #346

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I think it takes time. I can only imagine the hours required to research, develop and shoot such well-evidenced explanations, given that part of his audience is true believers searching for any gap through which they can sustain their beliefs. But look at his website: https://www.metabunk.org . A quick search there for "Transients" returned several pages of posts, some from Mick himself. Frankly, I don't follow it th…

>Rational, evidence-based skeptics like Mick are doomed to Sisyphean toil because even after they've resoundingly explained a hundred vague claims, UFO (and Chem-Trail, Flat Earth, etc) true believers will always find a new one to hitch their belief to. Right. And I do think that meticulous effort is invaluable because it heightens the cost of cognitive dissonance which can be important to reaching people on the side…

> But it makes you wonder if the debunking community should be a bit more intentional about intercepting whatever these psychological processes are that make people immune to evidence-based correction, and target those mechanisms the same meticulousness in patients of a debunk.

You haven't spent much time arguing with people who refuse to listen to any evidence at all, have you? The "psychological processes" you describe are, in many cases, that people will simply stick their (metaphorical) fingers in their ears and say "La la la, I'm not listening!" In other words, a willful, determined refusal to listen.

It's not a matter of psychological processes, at least not for the people I've interacted with in the past. It's plain and simple refusal. They've decided that they're right, they know it, and nobody is going to tell them otherwise, darn it!

As the old quote goes (which is apparently very difficult to pin down to its origin): "My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with the facts!" (https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/02/13/confuse-me/)

P.S. Edited to add this, because I meant to write it earlier and forgot: It's just stubbornness. You can't cure stubbornness with psychoanalysis. Some people just don't want to believe in what you're trying to tell them. As the even older quote goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." You can lead a stubborn person to all the evidence in the world, but you can't make him think.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by junon »

newZWhoDis wrote: post #362
mrandish wrote: post #281

For anyone else who has a UFO-crazy uncle, I've found Mick West's YouTube channel to be invaluable https://www.youtube.com/c/mickwest . Mick is a retired video game programmer (Spider Man, Guitar Hero, Tony Hawk), who does extremely well-researched videos analyzing UFO claims. He's not flashy or trying to be entertaining, just thorough, evidence-based and scientifically rigorous. He'll even do controlled experiments,…

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Post by Morromist »

discreteevent wrote: post #467
Morromist wrote: post #448

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This is one of those things where an objective person shouldn't start out with a completely neutral attitude. Have you ever heard that phrase "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"? For example, If I take a blurry photo of something I see outside on a full moon that's probably a raccoon and proclaim its a photo of the elder god Nug, spawn of Azathoth, the Lord of All Things, and someone points out that…

This is even more true when there are so many blurry photos. It's as if Nugs acolytes keep putting up photos and making claims but not a single photo clearly shows his three heads or single pogo stick leg. The more photos there are, the more likely it is that at least one of them should clearly display Nug.

Huh. You're right, I never thought about it that way. I had to look it up and apperently there are multiple theories that the reason ufo photos are always terrible quality is that there's some kind of terrible-photo-force-field around them. Great stuff!

The truth is that when we see photos of Nug the mind-bending eldrich horror of the sight disturbs the vision part of our brain. The photos are all perfectly clear, but simply too terrible for our tiny minds to ever percieve.

Re: US Government releases first batch of UAP documents and videos

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #226

So with The War having ground to an unsatisfactory halt, they're now releasing distraction #2. I wonder how many will be needed between now and November? Convince me I'm wrong.

This is what they do Everytime things are going really bad. "Oh btw aliens!?". It's a psyop so people appeal to higher powers and feel that the government is keeping them safe. Truth is if aliens ever made contact with the us, the representatives would be trying to sell us for alien weapons they could use to go kill whatever remains that they don't like at any given moment.

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Post by mrexcess »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #439
mrexcess wrote: post #164

Shades of late Soviet distractioneering, of the sort one would see in Pravda back in the day. Really disconcerting tbqh.

Why do so many of you think this is some big distraction campaign? They have talked about this kind of thing before and people then made distraction allegations. Is there really any "distracting" going on? I still liberals going on and on about the Epstein files that they didn't care about under Biden. I think they know Democrats are still going to be talking about that, and "de-colonizing," talking about kings and f…

I would agree that it’s silly. So did former President Obama when he mocked the notion recently.

While motivating intent is always opaque to some extent, this would appear to be another form of a “flood the zone” approach, in my estimation.

Many officials who certainly know better are involved - let me put the question back to you: why do you think they’re using taxpayer dollars to fuel lies?

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