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Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by otterz »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #88
niemandhier wrote: post #76

I love the polish, but credit where credit is due: „Poland is the largest beneficiary of EU funds 2014-2020, with one in four euro going to Poland“ https://www.gov.pl/web/funds-regional-policy/poland-at-the-f... Update: The comments below this are strange. I ment: „Poland gets money, Poland transforms it into more money”. Is Poland more efficient in it than other countries? I do not know. Would Poland have generated…

It's a first line buffer state against Putin. Think of it as defense spending

Buffer implies it's void of meaningful content. An unfair word to describe an industrialized nation and member of the top 20 largest economies.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by wowoc »

luke5441 wrote: post #120
wowoc wrote: post #106

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Exactly. Which proves that people who keep saying that Poland's growth is only due to EU's money should finally stop. Another argument: Poland's GDP had already been growing at a similar pace before it joined the EU (but after it got rid of communism).

The largest EU benefit is that it makes democratic and rule of law backsliding unlikely. So if you invest money in Poland you can be reasonably sure that it won't get stolen from you. Hungary was a demonstration that this works over the long term.

Yet you can see crowds of young anti-woke Germans on X claiming that Poland's been growing only because of their (i.e. the Germans') money.

Also, the reason you've given doesn't explain why it worked so much better for Poland than for Czechia, Slovakia and a few others.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by riffraff »

po1nt wrote: post #93
niemandhier wrote: post #76

I love the polish, but credit where credit is due: „Poland is the largest beneficiary of EU funds 2014-2020, with one in four euro going to Poland“ https://www.gov.pl/web/funds-regional-policy/poland-at-the-f... Update: The comments below this are strange. I ment: „Poland gets money, Poland transforms it into more money”. Is Poland more efficient in it than other countries? I do not know. Would Poland have generated…

If there was a correlation you would see the same trend in Slovakia, Hungary and such

Which you do, except they're a lot smaller than Poland.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by asdiovjdfi »

tptacek wrote: post #104
Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #73

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My sibling comment understates the critique. There is no such thing as "average IQ". Countries don't IQ test representative samples of their population, so hucksters like Richard Lynn just make shit up and pull samples from mental institutions (where IQ tests are used, as they should be, as diagnostics). This is a pretty simple and obvious observation. Have you ever been asked to take a proctored IQ test to help esta…

Possible conscripts are usually IQ tested in some way. If you have national consciption, then it would be a pretty good sample of the 18 year old male population.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by cowboy_henk »

alephnerd wrote: post #53
steve1977 wrote: post #48

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> SWE salaries are constant across all of Europe Sorry, but this is wrong. Cheaper labor is pretty much the only reason for nearshoring from more expensive European countries to places like Spain or Eastern Europe.

As I've mentioned before, I've had intimate experience hiring across Europe and at the 75th percentile and above, the salaries tend to be extremely close when comparing Western Europe and CEE. The difference becomes attitude. A German SWE wants a 9-5. A Czech or Romanian SWE wants to build the next JetBrains or UIPath. I don't want to hire the former - they're useless and a headache. I want to hire the latter.

Pretty sure salaries at large tech companies are way higher in places like London, Zurich or Amsterdam than in Warsaw or Prague for example. Berlin may be closer to the eastern countries.

It might help to discuss actual ranges instead of "intimate experience" so we can tell if your experience matches reality.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by wslh »

niemandhier wrote: post #76

I love the polish, but credit where credit is due: „Poland is the largest beneficiary of EU funds 2014-2020, with one in four euro going to Poland“ https://www.gov.pl/web/funds-regional-policy/poland-at-the-f... Update: The comments below this are strange. I ment: „Poland gets money, Poland transforms it into more money”. Is Poland more efficient in it than other countries? I do not know. Would Poland have generated…

Countries don't mechanically convert inputs into development. There are many examples of countries with large capital inflows and/or strong capabilities that still fail to become strong economies. Corruption is one of the major frictions that prevents those resources from translating into broad economic success.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by atwrk »

tomalbrc wrote: post #62
vrganj wrote: post #56

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Which, to be fair, laid the foundation for the well-educated part. The Soviets really valued STEM. They also quite valued emancipating women. Just for context, in the 60s, around 5% of chemistry PhDs in the US were women. In the Soviet Union, it was 40%! [0] Of course, that doesn't excuse all the other things they did, but the amount of badass female engineers from Eastern Europe I had the honor of working with is a…

How come eastern germany does so poorly?

They don't if you mean STEM and emancipation, quite the opposite, actually (compared to West Germany).

In addition to the points of sibling comments, their respective starting posititions were drastically different: West Germany got the marshal plan, which benefitted their economy, the East had to pay reparations to the USSR, which meant whole factories, trains, even railroad tracks, all in all amounting to about a third of industrial capacity, were transferred to the USSR.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by wqaatwt »

Vaslo wrote: post #111
tossandthrow wrote: post #83

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Yes, this is how European social welfare works. And it is fantastic! Because the entirety of the EU is benefitting from it. Polish people have larger spending power, interesting and safe places to visit, etc. This is not a "present" given to Poland. This is ensuring a better life for all Europeans.

So you’re taking from others who earned it and give it someone that didn’t? Got it.

As noted in the other comment Poland is not even getting that much money per capita, it’s just a fairly large country.

They are still getting half of what Belgium is getting and unlike the overwhelming majority of bureaucrats in Brussels Polish farmers actually produce something useful.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by bboozzoo »

12986-112 wrote: post #77
6d6b73 wrote: post #50

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German working class is actually benefiting from this as Poland it one of their biggest importers now. And they are still benefiting from slave labor, stolen precious metals, and art they got during the WW2. Not to mention the Marshall Plan. They really can't be complaining.

German working class is displaced or has their salaries driven down by either Poles or Romanians working in Germany while their families live cheaply at home or by corporations moving factories to Poland and Romania. You have no clue what you are talking about. I wonder why this sort of obnoxious reasoning always comes from Poles and never from Czech people for example.

I believe this is called competition, encouraged since the EU markets are open and freedom of migration is guaranteed. If it wasn't for those guys, you'll have migrant workers from Ukraine, or India or some other place. However, I suspect that before the Poles and Romanians came to DE, you already had quite a bit of migration from Spain, Italy and Turkey, isn't that right?
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