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Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Educated AND motivated workforce will do the trick. All the polish I know that work in IT enjoy handwork as well. They are hard workers.

Were they not educated and motivated before?

Motivation requires incentive. Probably hard to do when you're a communist bureaucrat offering an extra potato.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poland was sort of occupied until 1989

Which, to be fair, laid the foundation for the well-educated part. The Soviets really valued STEM. They also quite valued emancipating women. Just for context, in the 60s, around 5% of chemistry PhDs in the US were women. In the Soviet Union, it was 40%! [0] Of course, that doesn't excuse all the other things they did, but the amount of badass female engineers from Eastern Europe I had the honor of working with is a…

How come eastern germany does so poorly?

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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As an American that’s lived in Poland for the last decade: - it was kind of inevitable once Poland stopped being oppressed by its neighbors. The USSR, Nazi Germany, the German Empire / Prussia, Austria, Imperial Russia, etc. have basically been dividing the country since the 1780s. Without these restrictions, Poland is a natural leader in its region purely on population alone. - A general lack of ideological “mind vi…

> A general lack of ideological “mind viruses” that seem to plague the western world. Most Poles are pretty straightforward, common sense people. They might have opinions you don’t agree with but it’s not a country of extremists in any direction.

I want to stray from the politics too much, but we definitely self-sabotage in canada. It's kind of an immature teenage angst to self-loathe to the point of punishing yourself all the time.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Living only a good hour away from the Polish border I must say that this is really great for our region, too. When the income difference was higher, there was a lot of property crime (mostly cars, but also other things) originating from Poland. I went to a Polish village just at border once and you could feel the crime there. Young guys driving too expensive cars despite houses being run down, suspicious looks if you drive by with your German number plates. But that is over. If you go to Szczecin or Bydgoszcz you feel no wealth gap at all and I am happy that it turned out this way.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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before Brexit - a decent number of polish people in the UK doing all types of work. after Brexit - noticed polish engineers didn't want to be in the UK

> before Brexit - a decent number of polish people in the UK doing all types of work.

The comedian Omid Djalili (a Brit of Iranian descent) had a number of "Polish plumber" skits:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vppmzUZENfc

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8mjzu0Runo

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Vacuuming working age population from Ukraine since 2014. Poland did everything right, while Ukrainian governments and businesses were smirking "What are you going to do?" during salary discussions.

"What are you going to do" was a phrase you could hear in Poland as well in 90ties and early 2000th. What differentiated PL w/ UA in my opinion is 2 things:

1. Lack of oligarchy - which in fact was not obvious outcome and little bit of luck on our part and little bit of cultural zeitgeist of 90ties and 00ths. 2. No east-west dithering - PL knew right away to which economic and cultural sphere wanted to belong

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The taxation is not though. It may be better working from Warsaw or Prague due to tax rules. In Czechia it's a sort of fake, but tolerated consultancy and self employment and I have heard there is a similiar status in Poland.

The biggest drivers for tech employment in the CEE aren't those consultancies but American and non-European FDI. Edit: can't reply > Having 10-20% tax rate really helps though to have comparable or better pay rate to western europe with about 50% tax rate At the employer end, if we offer enough FDI Western European governments do try to match support and subsidies that we could get in CEE. Additionally, when investin…

Having 10-20% tax rate really helps though to have comparable or better pay rate to western europe with about 50% tax rate.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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It turns out it's not that hard to grow an economy once countries all around you stop trying to kill your culture, exterminate your population and steal your lands.

Hundreds of billions in subsidies and Polish workers displacing West European workers inside and outside of their country have nothing to do with the success of course. The EU is based on greedy West European corporations maximizing shareholder value at the expense of their own populations. The EU is too big and should be reduced to the Western core countries. I wonder how Poland would fare then.

Most of the subsidies go back to the western Europe in the form of cheap products, and cheap labor. Also these subsidies were used to buy technology, machinery and goods from the West. Let's have Germany pay few trillions in reparations, and we can give back the billions in subsidies. Deal?

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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As an American that’s lived in Poland for the last decade: - it was kind of inevitable once Poland stopped being oppressed by its neighbors. The USSR, Nazi Germany, the German Empire / Prussia, Austria, Imperial Russia, etc. have basically been dividing the country since the 1780s. Without these restrictions, Poland is a natural leader in its region purely on population alone. - A general lack of ideological “mind vi…

Poland has somewhat of a culture of overworking, "kultura zapierdolu".

Yup, a lot of older folk with ruined health here because they overworked to "build a wealth" that eventually didn't materialize, but who at same time are criticizing younger gens of not wanting to follow in their steps.
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