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Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by keiferski »

ash162 wrote: post #44
6d6b73 wrote: post #2

It turns out it's not that hard to grow an economy once countries all around you stop trying to kill your culture, exterminate your population and steal your lands.

Hundreds of billions in subsidies and Polish workers displacing West European workers inside and outside of their country have nothing to do with the success of course. The EU is based on greedy West European corporations maximizing shareholder value at the expense of their own populations. The EU is too big and should be reduced to the Western core countries. I wonder how Poland would fare then.

I don’t understand why people constantly mention EU subsidies and not mention the billions of wealth destroyed or taken during the world wars, partitions, or the deluge.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

comrade1234 wrote: post #42

I spent some time in Poland for work about 10 years ago. I remember the cities being very expensive and chic - on par with Paris, Berlin, etc but when you got out of the cities (my project was in Bydgoszcz) it's a completely different world - poor, rundown, etc. would be curious how it is now and also where most of the Ukrainian refugees settled.

That basically describes the US as well.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by WarmWash »

goalieca wrote: post #63
keiferski wrote: post #52

As an American that’s lived in Poland for the last decade: - it was kind of inevitable once Poland stopped being oppressed by its neighbors. The USSR, Nazi Germany, the German Empire / Prussia, Austria, Imperial Russia, etc. have basically been dividing the country since the 1780s. Without these restrictions, Poland is a natural leader in its region purely on population alone. - A general lack of ideological “mind vi…

> A general lack of ideological “mind viruses” that seem to plague the western world. Most Poles are pretty straightforward, common sense people. They might have opinions you don’t agree with but it’s not a country of extremists in any direction. I want to stray from the politics too much, but we definitely self-sabotage in canada. It's kind of an immature teenage angst to self-loathe to the point of punishing yourse…

Rage-bait media is both profitable and the masses will defend you as "fighting the good fight".

The mind virus actually makes you love the host.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by gib444 »

dzonga wrote: post #14

before Brexit - a decent number of polish people in the UK doing all types of work. after Brexit - noticed polish engineers didn't want to be in the UK

God I miss Eastern European tradespeople.

British tradespeople in my experience are duplicitous, lazy, unmotivated, low quality, cocky and expensive.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by niemandhier »

I love the polish, but credit where credit is due:

„Poland is the largest beneficiary of EU funds 2014-2020, with one in four euro going to Poland“

https://www.gov.pl/web/funds-regional-policy/poland-at-the-f...

Update: The comments below this are strange.

I ment: „Poland gets money, Poland transforms it into more money”.

Is Poland more efficient in it than other countries? I do not know. Would Poland have generated less money without it ? Probably? Is an annual investment of the 2-3%of the GDP into a country a lot? I think so?

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by 12986-112 »

6d6b73 wrote: post #50
retinaros wrote: post #18

french and german working class tax. and obviously great leadership to use EU and that money well to win. unlike france for instance that got outplayed by germany that itself got outplayed by their dear ally the USA and are now going into energy obsolescence.

German working class is actually benefiting from this as Poland it one of their biggest importers now. And they are still benefiting from slave labor, stolen precious metals, and art they got during the WW2. Not to mention the Marshall Plan. They really can't be complaining.

German working class is displaced or has their salaries driven down by either Poles or Romanians working in Germany while their families live cheaply at home or by corporations moving factories to Poland and Romania.

You have no clue what you are talking about. I wonder why this sort of obnoxious reasoning always comes from Poles and never from Czech people for example.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by vrganj »

tomalbrc wrote: post #62
vrganj wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which, to be fair, laid the foundation for the well-educated part. The Soviets really valued STEM. They also quite valued emancipating women. Just for context, in the 60s, around 5% of chemistry PhDs in the US were women. In the Soviet Union, it was 40%! [0] Of course, that doesn't excuse all the other things they did, but the amount of badass female engineers from Eastern Europe I had the honor of working with is a…

How come eastern germany does so poorly?

I think mostly due to the bungled reunification that was basically an asset-stripping followed by enormous brain drain.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by szmarczak »

> Kowalska works at the Poznan Supercomputing and Networking Center, which is developing the first artificial intelligence factory in Poland and integrating it with a quantum computer, one of 10 on the continent financed by a European Union program.

I don't think quantum computing currently is able to help in the AI industry, I don't think this is having any impact.

WIG20 is essentially 5 banks, 3 energy providers, clothing, small shops + Allegro + CD Projekt Red. I don't think any of this has major world impact.

Re: Poland is now among the 20 largest economies

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Post by H8crilA »

lovegrenoble wrote: post #55
moi2388 wrote: post #16

- Educated population - Access to the EU market - Cheap labour - 250 billion in EU subsidies

250 миллиардов субсидий ЕС

EvroSoyuz is just a better offer, comrade. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

PS. Ever since the full scale war started I finally learned Cyrillic, and I must say - there is something nice about this alphabet (if you speak a Slavic language, of course). Sadly we don't have an official Cyrillic version of Polish, though, my compatriots would have their brains explode if someone promoted one.

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