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Per 1M tokens (input cache hit / input cache miss / output) v4-pro (75% off): $0.003625 / $0.435 / $0.87 v4-pro (regular): $0.0145 / $1.74 / $3.48 v4-flash: $0.0028 / $0.14 / $0.28 that is damn cheap.
You are the product. The book is called "So long, and thanks for all the secrets"
Nothing specific to Deepseek.
Is anyone concerned about these services and China’s National Intelligence Law?
I mean I can't believe I have to say this explicitly but it should be assumed that any data you send to China can and will be used against our interest by the CCP...
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No because China can only do so much to me as someone who doesn't live there and never will. It's the same reason why I prefer vpns that are owned by countries outside my own.
Unless you're very careful, it's trivial to have my secrets to be sent to the LLM. If it reads your .env just to see the variable names, the secrets have been sent to the servers. Now - they probably don't care about you and your secrets - but it makes me more uncomfortable that they have them. This is true of anthropic or openai - but for some reason I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting…
Thing is, either way your data is getting hoovered up. If not today then eventually. It's just a matter of where. If you work in an industry where nation states might want to do you irreparable harm then yea don't let your data leave the country.
I've been using DeepSeek V4 a lot in the last week and I am very happy with it. If you have a really gnarly bug, you might need a SOTA model like Opus. For most things it is very very good, and costs significantly less (even without the discount). I've been using it as part of a complex DOS game decompilation project[0]. I'm working on refactoring the software rendering pipeline so that we can add GPU rendering. The…
Per 1M tokens (input cache hit / input cache miss / output) v4-pro (75% off): $0.003625 / $0.435 / $0.87 v4-pro (regular): $0.0145 / $1.74 / $3.48 v4-flash: $0.0028 / $0.14 / $0.28 that is damn cheap.
You are the product. The book is called "So long, and thanks for all the secrets"
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Just run a local model or run deepseek from another provider with a policy you like. The models are open weight and widely available. Still cheaper than chatgpt and anything else through 3rd parties
this is the pitch - it's open source, run it yourself. But >99% of people will not have the hardware needed to run these models at a high enough quality to be close to SOTA. So they will run the open-source models on CCP systems for a good price.
I've been using DeepSeek V4 a lot in the last week and I am very happy with it. If you have a really gnarly bug, you might need a SOTA model like Opus. For most things it is very very good, and costs significantly less (even without the discount). I've been using it as part of a complex DOS game decompilation project[0]. I'm working on refactoring the software rendering pipeline so that we can add GPU rendering. The…
What agentic harness do you use deepseek with?
A few days ago we were hearing about how the "free lunch is over", now we're seeing discounts and increased usage limits.
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I can't figure out how there's both too little supply (so a dramatic need for more data centers) but also too little demand (so labs subsidize inference).
There isn't too little demand. There is massive demand and many competing companies trying to capture that demand, so they are attempting to make better offers than their competition. Hence subsidy.
- Every competitor is planning for the demand to be much higher in a few years than it is now, and aiming to capture as much of that as they can, which starts by getting companies hooked on their models now
- The data center capacity will get used no matter who captures the most demand
Is anyone concerned about these services and China’s National Intelligence Law?
Eh, I'd be more concerned about the Three-Letters and the One country that dropped an A-bomb.
i'd like to point out that the soviet RDS-3 was an airdropped A-bomb.
I get that you mean 'in anger', but I don't feel that bad being a pedant against a propagandist statement that's also pedantically wrong.