Is anyone concerned about these services and China’s National Intelligence Law?
No I'm more concerned with OpenAI and Anthropic AI models being used as a tool to murder brown people in the middle east for our "greatest ally".
DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
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#42Is anyone concerned about these services and China’s National Intelligence Law?
It's unlikely that you're special enough that someone will genuinely look through the massive amount of data produced by this system in order to target You Specifically. If you are that special you can just use another provider.
From this line of reasoning, my guess is that the huge discount is not so much intended to sell the data collection system as much as it is intended to sell the model. If you had to wring a geopolitical consequence from this, it would be that the US labs producing models would be impacted by a vastly less expensive competitor.
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#43A few days ago we were hearing about how the "free lunch is over", now we're seeing discounts and increased usage limits.
I can't figure out how there's both too little supply (so a dramatic need for more data centers) but also too little demand (so labs subsidize inference).
There isn't too little demand. There is massive demand and many competing companies trying to capture that demand, so they are attempting to make better offers than their competition. Hence subsidy.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not happy with their privacy policy [1]. I’m unfamiliar with the phrase “Parties with Other Legal Rights”. Given the well-documented struggles of Anthropic and others to provide enough compute, I wonder if “Parties with Other Legal Rights” constitutes part of the advantage here. [1]: https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-privacy-pol...
Just run a local model or run deepseek from another provider with a policy you like. The models are open weight and widely available. Still cheaper than chatgpt and anything else through 3rd parties
this is the pitch - it's open source, run it yourself. But >99% of people will not have the hardware needed to run these models at a high enough quality to be close to SOTA. So they will run the open-source models on CCP systems for a good price.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
No because China can only do so much to me as someone who doesn't live there and never will. It's the same reason why I prefer vpns that are owned by countries outside my own.
Unless you're very careful, it's trivial to have my secrets to be sent to the LLM. If it reads your .env just to see the variable names, the secrets have been sent to the servers. Now - they probably don't care about you and your secrets - but it makes me more uncomfortable that they have them. This is true of anthropic or openai - but for some reason I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting…
>I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting to my data than the CCP will any chinese company.
Why? You dont think that 5 eyes cyber peeps use every advantage they can get? And on the way out leave a dusting of evidence pointing at the russkies or chinese?
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
#47Cached input at $0.003625/M, output at $0.435/M. Aggressive pricing.
For anyone doing the "should I self-host on rented GPUs?" math: at this rate you'd need to push roughly 1B output tokens/day to break even against an 8xH100 fleet on Vast/Lambda (assuming 3-5k tokens/sec aggregate throughput). The vast majority of "I should run my own LLM" use cases don't come close to that volume.
Every API price drop kills another tranche of "self-host the open model" use cases. The implied bet: even if regular pricing ($1.74/M output) is also subsidized, exponential demand growth eventually makes the unit economics work. We'll see.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
No because China can only do so much to me as someone who doesn't live there and never will. It's the same reason why I prefer vpns that are owned by countries outside my own.
Unless you're very careful, it's trivial to have my secrets to be sent to the LLM. If it reads your .env just to see the variable names, the secrets have been sent to the servers. Now - they probably don't care about you and your secrets - but it makes me more uncomfortable that they have them. This is true of anthropic or openai - but for some reason I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting…
> but for some reason I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting to my data from them than the CCP will any chinese company.
US tech companies voluntarily give their data to the US government. Don't you remember PRISM? You think they stopped doing that?
> Internal NSA presentation slides included in the various media disclosures show that the NSA could unilaterally access data and perform "extensive, in-depth surveillance on live communications and stored information" with examples including email, video and voice chat, videos, photos, voice-over-IP chats (such as Skype), file transfers, and social networking details.[2] Snowden summarized that "in general, the reality is this: if an NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA, etc. analyst has access to query raw SIGINT [signals intelligence] databases, they can enter and get results for anything they want."[13]
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
#49Is anyone concerned about these services and China’s National Intelligence Law?
More worried about the Epstein regime
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
No because China can only do so much to me as someone who doesn't live there and never will. It's the same reason why I prefer vpns that are owned by countries outside my own.
Unless you're very careful, it's trivial to have my secrets to be sent to the LLM. If it reads your .env just to see the variable names, the secrets have been sent to the servers. Now - they probably don't care about you and your secrets - but it makes me more uncomfortable that they have them. This is true of anthropic or openai - but for some reason I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting…
> for some reason I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting to my data
US companies are required by law to hand over your data if given a warrant by USG. They don't need a warrant if they have a subpoena for less invasive data, or a FISA request. They can also ask without any justification, and see if the company will cough it up anyway (they often do). Any AI company with government contracts will want to give up data quicker so as not to threaten deals worth hundreds of millions.