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Higher usage limits for Claude and a compute deal with SpaceX

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Re: Higher usage limits for Claude and a compute deal with SpaceX

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Post by lijok »

Sammi wrote: post #192
PufPufPuf wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, the problem is cooling. There isn't any medium to take away the heat, so the only option is to slowly radiate it away.

Anyone who has googled just once to ask if datacenters in space make any sense, has found out they don't because they can't get rid of heat. That leaves only two kinds of people left who are still talking excitedly about datacenters in space: The uninformed and the grifters.

what do you mean they can’t get rid of heat? radiators exist

Re: Higher usage limits for Claude and a compute deal with SpaceX

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Post by sroussey »

dmlittle wrote: post #240
dgfl wrote: post #230

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The existence of starlink proves that this is false. Look at most current pitches, they don’t talk about GW-class monsters anymore. There’s absolutely nothing stopping a 20-30kW satellite bus the size of starlink (or I guess up to 100kW? once starship is available - it’s all about payload fairing diameter) from hosting ~1 rack of compute and antennas. The economics may or may not make sense, we’ll have to see. There’…

It's worth noting that GPUs have a much higher failure rate than traditional CPUs. Over 10x the failure rate due thermal stress. The amount of heat generated is very different. You can't really replace a GPU in a satellite (at least today?) which would place most of these satellites as space debris in a ~5 year horizon.

Usually satellites utilize an older node as newer nodes are easily bit-flipped by radiation. And blocking radiation is heavy.

AI calcs may handle wrong calculations better than cpus where software will tend to panic.

Re: Higher usage limits for Claude and a compute deal with SpaceX

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Post by ceejayoz »

lijok wrote: post #259
ceejayoz wrote: post #245

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Starlink satellites don't generate the sort of heat a datacenter full of GPUs does. The ISS has enormous radiators, and it's only in space because it's a space station. Putting datacenters there is just goofy given the amount of available space on the ground .

Why are you comparing the output of a datacenter to the output of a single sat? How much power do starlink sats draw and how does it compare to say 8x H200s?

> This gives us access to more than 300 megawatts of new capacity (over 220,000 NVIDIA GPUs) within the month.

27,500 satellites need launching - fast! - just for Claude to meet a demand spike?

Re: Higher usage limits for Claude and a compute deal with SpaceX

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Post by ceejayoz »

lijok wrote: post #261
Sammi wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone who has googled just once to ask if datacenters in space make any sense, has found out they don't because they can't get rid of heat. That leaves only two kinds of people left who are still talking excitedly about datacenters in space: The uninformed and the grifters.

what do you mean they can’t get rid of heat? radiators exist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_Active_Thermal_Contro...

All that gets you 70kW of cooling. Radiating to vacuum isn't very efficient.

Re: Higher usage limits for Claude and a compute deal with SpaceX

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Post by phatfish »

aurareturn wrote: post #89
arian_ wrote: post #14

Anthropic renting out the data center Elon built for Grok is the kind of plot twist you can't make up.

Plot twist but makes perfect sense for both companies. Anthropic gets the compute they so desperately need to keep growing. Elon rents out compute that xAI couldn't make use of due to little demand for Grok. SpaceX gets revenue on the books for IPO. PS. I want to translate this part: We’re very intentional about where we’ll add capacity—partnering with democratic countries whose legal and regulatory frameworks suppor…

Which naive souls are downvoting this? Anthropic is speed running Google's "don't be evil" mantra.

Re: Higher usage limits for Claude and a compute deal with SpaceX

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Post by sourcegrift »

gpugreg wrote: post #25

> As part of this agreement, we have also expressed interest in partnering with SpaceX to develop multiple gigawatts of orbital AI compute capacity. Anthropic is either taking this space business more serious than the general public, or posting this sentence was part of the deal to get the compute.

Anybody who spends 5 minutes on reddit outside of pornographic or cuckoldry subs knows that this is not a serious idea

Re: Higher usage limits for Claude and a compute deal with SpaceX

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Post by throwaway473825 »

everfrustrated wrote: post #162
stuaxo wrote: post #154

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This natural gas burning is suited too close to where people live.

You do understand natural gas burns very clean? People burn it in their houses to cook with it!

People burn coal to heat their houses. That doesn't mean it's healthy. Gas stoves are known to cause asthma.

Re: Higher usage limits for Claude and a compute deal with SpaceX

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Post by gambiting »

lijok wrote: post #256
dmlittle wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that GPUs have a much higher failure rate than traditional CPUs. Over 10x the failure rate due thermal stress. The amount of heat generated is very different. You can't really replace a GPU in a satellite (at least today?) which would place most of these satellites as space debris in a ~5 year horizon.

Which is the same lifetime as a starlink sat

So what exactly is the benefit of having that thing in orbit then, where it costs you millions of dollars to put it there?

Re: Higher usage limits for Claude and a compute deal with SpaceX

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Post by blueaquilae »

kcb wrote: post #248
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #138

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Yep - and in the meantime it's an asset of SpaceX to boost their IPO price, as long as this is done before people realize that xAI is apparently becoming a datacenter company not an AI one. Then you've got SpaceX buying 1200 cybertrucks from Tesla, so it's serving as failure laundering vehicle for all his endeavors.

Elon Musk has been failing any minute now since like what? 2015

If only those people listened to your guidance!
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