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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by sourcegrift »

hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

China harvests organs of muslims. China doesn't allow LGBTQ representation on public media. China forcibly married uyghur women to handle men. It's important to remember the whole global picture before we take sides.

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Post by twilo »

aworks wrote: post #168
throwaway_7274 wrote: post #20

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I was glued to the window while flying over southern China recently. There is so much infrastructure you can see from the air, even in fairly rural provinces. So many bridges. So many wind turbines. It is visibly a country on the move, a country that believes in itself and its ability to do things. The Chinese Century is increasingly palpable, for better or worse.

I traveled to Wuhan twice a year for business for much of the last decade (until the pandemic). China was a growing country that clearly knew how to build infrastructure. In Wuhan, they built an entire development intended to employ 100,000 engineers (Huawei + our US company's 50). They built a subway system in a decade that's bigger than New York City's. I took the high-speed rail to Beijing and it was superb. They…

What’s wrong with their demographics? Population decline?

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Post by mghackerlady »

consumer451 wrote: post #268
mghackerlady wrote: post #244

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the CCP exists to build communism

I mean, that's the marketing material. Once Xi declared himself emperor for life, that marketing material fell apart a bit, didn't it? How is modern China even close to theoretical "communism?" It's certainly not Marxist, right?

it follows marxist principles and is building towards communism, which isn't overnight. It's currently in a socialist stage. Also, Xi is closer to the captain of a ship rather than an absolute monarch. He has a lot of power, yes, but that's because the party trusts him, not because he demands it

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Post by decimalenough »

dzonga wrote: post #192

Tesla has no moat. BYD makes better EVs & is leading in battery tech. FSD has been promised forever & not delivered. Now Musky says - for cars to have real FSD they need to be newer hardware tech. Robotaxis - Waymo is better.

BYD has its own "God's Eye" self-driving tech, and unlike Musk's pigheaded insistence on cameras only, BYD is incorporating LIDAR into their cars across the range:

https://thedriven.io/2026/01/11/byds-cheapest-electric-cars-...

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Post by decimalenough »

dieselgate wrote: post #260
dzonga wrote: post #192

Tesla has no moat. BYD makes better EVs & is leading in battery tech. FSD has been promised forever & not delivered. Now Musky says - for cars to have real FSD they need to be newer hardware tech. Robotaxis - Waymo is better.

> BYD ... is leading in battery tech. Dang, it seemed not that long ago - 5 to 10 years - when Tesla had far superior battery tech. I know that isn't a short scale by tech standards but has BYD, and others, really leap-frogged that much? I'm not in that space myself and do not keep up with EV benchmarks but am curious what advances or other changes were made. I recall reading Ford battery technology was also very goo…

BYD is one of Tesla's battery suppliers.

https://thedriven.io/2023/05/22/teslas-switch-to-byd-batteri...

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Post by z2 »

strictnein wrote: post #236
tredre3 wrote: post #207

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American car manufacturers have extremely small market shares outside N.A., and many (all?) of them required multiple government bailouts over the past few decades. If you think that keeping China is good for the consumer, you'll have to present a stronger case than "we must protect our companies".

> If you think that keeping [out] China is good for the consumer It would be excellent for the consumer, in the rather short term, to not keep them out. Cheap cars! Cheap goods flooding our markets are great for consumers in the short term. > American car manufacturers have extremely small market shares outside N.A Here's a game: One company is American. The other is not. Company 1 Market Share: North America: 16.5%…

Unfortunately, I looked, so let me add to this game, starting with the fact you omitted Europe:

Company 1: Europe ~0% (trucks & SUVs just don't sell well there it seems) Company 2: Europe 7%

Company 1: Manufactures in 8 countries, 2/3 of its factories are in North America. Company 2: Local production of cars in 25-30 countries depending on partnerships.

Company 1 data: 2025. Company 2 data: 2020 (?!)

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Post by mort96 »

NickC25 wrote: post #46
sampton wrote: post #13

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Doesn't Tesla have a factory in China?

They do. Because Elon is proving himself to be quite an idiot. China was more than happy to welcome him in, and have him teach them how to build an EV. They simply copied what they could and improved on it. "The communists will happily sell the capitalists the rope the capitalists hang themselves with"

BYD has been making batteries since '95, cars since '05, plug-in hybrids since '08 and EVs since '09. I don't doubt that China may have made use of Musk, but I severely doubt he's the one who "taught them how to build an EV".

If you think China can only make stuff by copying what other does, you're gonna under-estimate them.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

gambiting wrote: post #263
mytailorisrich wrote: post #232

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I doubt it because the Chinese are very protective of their homogeneity and see what has happened in Europe as a massive cautionary tale. So my guess is that they will be very picky and control both quality and numbers tightly.

>>and see what has happened in Europe as a massive cautionary tale As a European - what has happened to us, exactly? I'm curious what kind of thing you think is happening to Europe that is such disaster that even China should be afraid of it.

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Post by somelamer567 »

usrnm wrote: post #241
malshe wrote: post #211

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I would support allowing any Chinese automaker in the US if they form a 51:49 joint venture with an American company.

Wait, wasn't the free market supposed to be a superior system? You cannot at the same time argue that something is better and wish you didn't have it

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Or just China just deserve special treatment?

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Post by gambiting »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #288
gambiting wrote: post #263

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>>and see what has happened in Europe as a massive cautionary tale As a European - what has happened to us, exactly? I'm curious what kind of thing you think is happening to Europe that is such disaster that even China should be afraid of it.

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>>Mass immigration in Europe and its effects.

Can you name a few of these effects that China sees as crazy?

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