Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

electrek.co

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 467 posts

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

#11

Post by landryraccoon »

EA-3167 wrote: post #6
PessimalDecimal wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what world is China less "protectionist" than the US?

In the world of Chinese media I suppose? To me this all looks like the same hand-wringing angst we went through in the 1980’s with the industrialization of Japan bearing massive fruit. Right down to the shaky real estate markets.

China has surpassed the US in total energy generation, and the gap is growing in their favor every year.

Japan never surpassed the US in power or industrial output. China is different. They’ve clearly surpassed the US in some key areas.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

#13

Post by sampton »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #10
Pfhortune wrote: post #5

Would be great if we could buy/drive these in the US. Funny how we have a "free market" only when it is convenient for certain interests...

I agree that that would be great as a consumer, but given how protectionist China is, you can hardly blame countries for responding in kind. Trade should be a two way street.

Doesn't Tesla have a factory in China?

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

#15

Post by leereeves »

plaidthunder wrote: post #8
PessimalDecimal wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what world is China less "protectionist" than the US?

The world before all of the big beautiful tariffs. It's depressing that we can't buy BYD in the USA. It's feeling more and more like being stuck with a Lada in the 1980s.

Are BYD cars specifically banned or do they just not comply with all the US regulations?

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

#16

Post by atonse »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #7
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

I don't mind restricting Chinese imports in principle, since China is well known to be very protectionist, moreso than Western countries for sure. Trade needs to be a two way street. That said, it is indeed disappointing that we can't get their affordable EVs over here. Western legacy automakers really need a kick in the ass (especially since Tesla seems to just be phoning it in now).

With EVs, Tesla's the only one in the US not phoning it in. I used to think they were until I got a new Model Y Juniper.

I don't count Rivian or Lucid until they actually have even somewhat affordable EVs.

But pretty much everyone else in the US is doing a piss poor job with EVs and just don't seem to care at all. Ford seemed to have lost interest in the F-150 lightning.

I agree that trade needs to be a two way street. But I'm not convinced yet on "affordable" since these might be severely subsidized by the Chinese Gov to undermine domestic car makers across different nations. I say might only because I'm not 100% sure.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

#17

Post by baq »

hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

BYD has pretty amazing tech to be honest, but putting protectionism as an argument against the US and pro BYD in the same sentence is naive at best. The CCP allowed BYD to exist and the CCP can end BYD in a single weekend regardless of any human right concerns elsewhere.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

#19

Post by [deleted] »

PessimalDecimal wrote: post #4
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

In what world is China less "protectionist" than the US?

[deleted]

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

#20

Post by throwaway_7274 »

hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

I was glued to the window while flying over southern China recently. There is so much infrastructure you can see from the air, even in fairly rural provinces. So many bridges. So many wind turbines. It is visibly a country on the move, a country that believes in itself and its ability to do things. The Chinese Century is increasingly palpable, for better or worse.
Post reply on HN