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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by usrnm »

malshe wrote: post #211
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

I would support allowing any Chinese automaker in the US if they form a 51:49 joint venture with an American company.

Wait, wasn't the free market supposed to be a superior system? You cannot at the same time argue that something is better and wish you didn't have it

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

werdnapk wrote: post #117
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #87

I'm sure BYD and other Chinese EVs would dominate here too if it wasn't for tariffs. BYD UK import tariff is 10% BYD US import tariff is 100%

Canada reduced theirs to 6.1% from 100% about a month ago.

I wonder what happens if someone from the US buys one in Canada and just drives it home? At what point and how do they get charged an import tariff? When they register it?

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Post by theendisney »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #194
ErneX wrote: post #158

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Visit if you can, and take some bullet trains! We had a blast last year there.

Shanghai was great in the 2010s. Seems like a different place today. Are the bullet trains making enough to pay down construction debt yet? My understanding is that that has been a struggle, which is going to be a problem when they get past being new and start having more and more maintenance expense on top of paying back construction debt.

They dont have to, they are reqired to make the country work. Its like trying to make us roads profitable.

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Post by mghackerlady »

consumer451 wrote: post #210
mghackerlady wrote: post #151

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capitalists the communists put up with because it's better for communism in the long run

> it's better for communism in the long run "Communism" is a theoretical concept. The CCP is what they are protecting, an authoritarian power structure.

the CCP exists to build communism

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Post by ericmay »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #212
ericmay wrote: post #202

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> I'm puzzled why we talk about "US decline" when we're pretty much creating paeans to marginal energy construction. It's literally just a mind virus and folks hear it on the news and like the Chinese hypersonic missiles they just hear some capability or reporting and then don't know what to do with it except to parrot it. They don't think about China's lying down culture [1], for example, ghost cities and over-build…

Yeah I see that we're entering a multipolar world, where China and the US form 2 dominant poles but other countries/alliances like India and the Gulf States create stiff competition. A world with more prosperity for more people seems good to me.

> A world with more prosperity for more people seems good to me.

Agree with that sentiment absolutely. I’m not totally sure that is a given, however. The primary reason being that as America declines economically from the post-war boom, it no longer has the resources to simultaneously fight or contain many belligerent actors (Russia, Iran, China, &c.) and without the other dominant power (China) stepping up to assist in what I would loosely describe as a bipartisan way we are likely to see more conflict, not less, in my view.

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Post by z2 »

strictnein wrote: post #230
piva00 wrote: post #217

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It's what the USA did during its industrialisation, it's what Japan did during its industrialisation. If you are looking to history to find ways to make your country prosper and industrialise, wouldn't you take those examples since they panned out pretty well?

The US, via a wide reaching, decades long government policy stole technology from other countries, passed that along to chosen domestic companies, and helped flood the market with the stolen/cheaper goods by supporting the companies doing so to produce goods to be sold at below cost? There's a lot of data around that in the history of the US and Japan?

See Doron Ben-Atar, Trade Secrets: Intellectual Piracy and the Origins of American Industrial Power. Concern for IP tends to come _after_ a country develops.

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Post by postalrat »

knubie wrote: post #223
postalrat wrote: post #214

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You won't get past step one: vote for political candidates who will fight for free markets.

You really think BYD would exist in a free market?

China and USA can fight it out propping up BYD and Tesla instead of Norinco and Lockheed Martin.

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Post by monocasa »

strictnein wrote: post #230
piva00 wrote: post #217

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It's what the USA did during its industrialisation, it's what Japan did during its industrialisation. If you are looking to history to find ways to make your country prosper and industrialise, wouldn't you take those examples since they panned out pretty well?

The US, via a wide reaching, decades long government policy stole technology from other countries, passed that along to chosen domestic companies, and helped flood the market with the stolen/cheaper goods by supporting the companies doing so to produce goods to be sold at below cost? There's a lot of data around that in the history of the US and Japan?

For the first part, yep. Samuel Slater (known as the "Father of the American Industrial Revolution" in the US, but "Slater the Traitor" in the UK) was the most well known example, but was also simply one piece of a large policy of ignoring European parents and encouraging people to come with 'stolen technology' to the US and make a competing company here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater

Also, the Chinese are absolutely making a profit on their exports, so I'd question your "below cost" broad characterization.

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Post by 10xDev »

cromka wrote: post #110
fusslo wrote: post #63

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I have two chinese-born coworkers (who spent 20-30 years here in the us) in the same room. When we talk about china's expansion, I am always jealous of the public projects, infrastructure, housing, etc. They always point out the huge unemployment of young people, declining birth rate, and other social ills. They say they're worried when the building stops. Even more people will be out of jobs. And when the nation age…

China will likely become the go-to place for immigrants within couple decades. Just like any other developed economy had.

This has yet to happen in East Asia and probably never will.

America and countries that engaged in worldwide colonisation are the exception not the rule.

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Post by 2dvisio »

prism56 wrote: post #40

Ive seen soo many BYD cars in the UK in the last year. I'm not in the market for a new car, but anyone who has looked recently what is the draw to BYD? Is it strictly value/price?

Value price for us. The Sealion 7 for us had the combination of features, dimensions, range, 800v platform, for a price that was simply unbeatable (leasing).

Out of question that Volvo ex90, Kia ev9, Hyundai Ioniq 9 or even the BMW ix3 would have come on top if it wasn’t for the price.

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