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Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes
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Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe, in the best case, your gas engine is maybe 45% fuel efficient, but realistically, you're probably getting closer to 20-25%. By contrast, a combined cycle power plant gets over 60%. But that's assuming we're just running power plants off of petrol and fuels. Coal is much cheaper than petroleum in some cases. There's also a lot of people who get their power from nuclear, hydro, solar, and wind. In many cases, yo…
> By contrast, a combined cycle power plant gets over 60%. Over 25% of this is then lost in transmission and distribution[0] (down to 45%). Then 10-25% of that lost in charging the car[1] (down to 40%). Finally, the car itself loses about 10-15% of that[2] (down to 35%). [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/322834/transmission-dist... [1] https://go-e.com/en/magazine/ev-charging-losses [2] https://evreporter.com/u…
Total UK electricity consumption is around 300 TWh annually. That would put the grid losses at less than 10% based on your link. The charging is never as bad as 25% (internal house losses are negligible for any sensible charging rate) and the car is typically ~12% charging loss. Moreover, EVs recover quite a bit too. Even in purely dissipative driving (highway driving), I get around 4 miles/kWh, which is about 4 times better than an ICE vehicle.
Furthermore, if you're going to include distributional losses, then let's also drop the available petrol by 10-15% to account for refining etc.
Finally, on anything resembling a sunny day, my car charges entirely of rooftop solar, so what efficiency do we assign to that?
Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes
#203Doesn’t increasing fuel price affect the electricity prices, which increases the charging cost?
UK has a massive new renewable installations which aren't affected by gas prices.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They're also quiet As someone who lives near a busy road, I'm 100% all for them for this reason alone The boy-racers doing 2x the speed limit with their loud exhausts and poppin can go do one
Agreed, though I was disheartened to find that we are now forcing electric cars to be loud because won't someone think of the pedestrians. There was a moment when EVs were quiet, and now there are some which drive by my house (residential neighborhood, so around 20 mph) that are louder than a well maintained ICEV would be at the same speed. The worst offenders are hybrids (looking at you, Toyota, with that unholy scr…
> louder than a well maintained ICEV would be at the same speed
ffs why can't we have nice things??
The amount of 'eco' things that turn out worse...
Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes
#205Holy crap the scrolling behavior on this site is the worst I've seen. It hijacks my browser (Chrome)+OS X trackpad scrolling speed and inertia in a horrible way.
Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah 1-5mi EV seems like pure scam marketing that should be illegal
It still allows regen braking down a hill or at traffic lights in town, so you get a decent efficiency gain. It also gives you a bit more horsepower when overtaking (depending on design). Or an hour of running the AC without belching smoke. Considering the battery and motors for these tiny EV's is only 100 lbs or so, it is probably still worth having.
Yeah I'm not saying it's useless, it just shouldn't be marketed as an EV when you basically need to burn gas to drive it.
Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes
#207Why is the most unsaid part out of all of this fuel nonsense is that there are less cars dumping emissions into the air. The Iran war may be the best driver we've had for air quality. Bring more EVs, they're overdue by a decade.
I quit driving in the last century so buying petrol is not something I do. I have a bicycle for most journeys and the train for elsewhere.
Hence my perspective is different. To have everyone priced off the roads is going to make the cycling so much faster and pleasant.
I have considered getting an electric car in the past, but, one look at the traffic, and I decided against going that slow. So I thought about getting an electric bicycle, only to come to the same conclusion, a normal bicycle is all I want or need.
There is a similar story with food. No fertiliser? No problem! I only eat plants, with no processed food or dead animals. Soon the 'grow crops to fatten animals so fat people can eat them' idea will be too costly.
Of course, the world isn't going to stop eating animal corpses at every occasion or ween the adults off milk, so we will see what happens. Nonetheless, plants only is a good starting point.
I don't see electric cars as a solution except for boomers, particularly in the UK context, where the goal is to have 50% of urban journeys taken with active travel by 2030. Active travel means walking or cycling, and I am all for it.
If you are obese, car dependent and eating burgers, the situation is not good. However, if free from car dependency and able to cook from scratch with plants, then the situation is somewhat different, previously unpopular lifestyle choices make sense.
I also don't see what right I have to West Asian oil, it is not a birthright to have access to all the fuel one can afford. My view is that it is best left in the ground.
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
We don't have dealerships in the UK like the US has.
How does the UK do car sales?
We have a lot of big dealer groups who are not tied to a specific manufacturer. Independent franchisees tied to a single manufacturer are uncommon I believe.
Even within each sub-brand of the group, they often work with different manufacturers.
Though Sytner (the biggest) tend to have single-manufacturer dealerships.
Probably a mix of both on both sides of the pond I imagine?
And there's less rigmarole during the process. Less aggressive sales tactics I believe
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If they have electricity they can charge from a regular power outlet. A large portion of the population is well served by 120V charging and don’t need more than that. And for what it’s worth, parts of Brazil also run on 220V, so they’re even more set in that regard.
parts? theres different voltage residential supply in different parts of the country? wild.
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#210Interesting how that doesn't seem to be a front where Europe wants to isolate itself from foreign influence; the models mentioned in the link seem to be Chinese in origin, not European.
Unlike with fuel, we're not burning the EVs, so even if China cuts off the supply we can keep using the ones we've already got. It would be inconvenient, but not an urgent problem like loss of access to fuel.