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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by detourdog »

alt227 wrote: post #140
Aurornis wrote: post #24

As others have mentioned this is for phones with batteries that can’t survive a reasonable number of cycles. That’s a reasonable exemption, in my opinion. I don’t want to pay the extra penalties of reduced structural rigidity and water tightness for a battery that I don’t need to replace for 3-4 years anyway. I do wish one manufacturer would make a flagship phone with replaceable battery so all of the uncompromising…

> a battery that I don’t need to replace for 3-4 years anyway. This is not just about battery replacement. I used to keep several fully charged batteries stocked in my rucksack whenever I went hiking or anywhere else that was remote. After a day of taking photos in the wild its nice to be able to just chuck in a fresh batttery and off you go. I feel like this feature of phones was not only lost, but pretty much forgo…

You can keep several power bricks that will charge any USB-C device now.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by cicko »

nickpp wrote: post #120
joe_mamba wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment is not meant to give you something to buy, it's just proof that it can technically be done, they just don't want to do it for modern flagships.

> it can technically be done At what cost though?! And no, I am not talking about money. Any device (and any product really) is a set of tradeoffs. I like it when different producers select a different subset of priorities for their offer. Competition at work. One of the reasons we witnessed such an awesome evolution in the smartphone market. I hate it when a bureaucrat dictates a set of demands with absolutely zero…

I hate when a technocrat at a multi-billion dollar company makes those decisions, maximizing profit and not giving a fuck about any other criteria.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by gavinsyancey »

IanCal wrote: post #122
mossTechnician wrote: post #51

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Many flagship phones promise 7 years of security updates now. 3-4 years means the battery will only last for half that time, and heavy users (1 cycle per day) will hit that quota in under 2.75 years.

Importantly “last” means that it will have at least 80% battery capacity left.

Degradation is usually nonlinear.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by alt227 »

detourdog wrote: post #161
alt227 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a battery that I don’t need to replace for 3-4 years anyway. This is not just about battery replacement. I used to keep several fully charged batteries stocked in my rucksack whenever I went hiking or anywhere else that was remote. After a day of taking photos in the wild its nice to be able to just chuck in a fresh batttery and off you go. I feel like this feature of phones was not only lost, but pretty much forgo…

You can keep several power bricks that will charge any USB-C device now.

yes exactly my point, I dont want to wait to charge up my device with another device. I just want to pop in a fresh 100% battery. It used to be so simple.

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Post by creaturemachine »

sokoloff wrote: post #29
spockz wrote: post #14

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That had me thinking as well. What if the manufacturer says that to get to that number you are only allowed to charge it to 80% ever? My iPhone pro battery is at 92% at 417 cycles over 20 months.

Do what EVs do: make 100% on the display not 100.0% electro-chemically and 0% not be 0.0% chemically. This is a serious suggestion, as I think it’s actually net beneficial for the consumer.

There's no coming back from 0% chemically. Running li-ions that low results in physical damage.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by _ZeD_ »

nickpp wrote: post #120
joe_mamba wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment is not meant to give you something to buy, it's just proof that it can technically be done, they just don't want to do it for modern flagships.

> it can technically be done At what cost though?! And no, I am not talking about money. Any device (and any product really) is a set of tradeoffs. I like it when different producers select a different subset of priorities for their offer. Competition at work. One of the reasons we witnessed such an awesome evolution in the smartphone market. I hate it when a bureaucrat dictates a set of demands with absolutely zero…

> At what cost though?!

maybe just a little less margin for apple...

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by giantrobot »

alt227 wrote: post #131
vile_wretch wrote: post #57

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Adding more holes to a surface isn't going to make it more waterproof

Tell that to boat hull riveters

You'd be really interested to learn the difference between a rivet and a screw.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by alt227 »

SauntSolaire wrote: post #152
alt227 wrote: post #123

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Friendly for who? I certainly cant electrically debond chemical compounds, but I sure do know how to undo a screw.

And you can't follow a guide either? All you have to do is clip a 9v battery on. Do you also consider yourself incapable of jump starting a car because you might have to look up instructions first?

Yes. Dont assume that everybody is technically minded such as yourself.

I know plenty of people that would never even consider jump starting thei car. However are also quite happy with poppping open a battery cover and doing a simple swap like any other battery powered device.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

ryandrake wrote: post #70
joe_mamba wrote: post #28

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My low-cost plastic Casio watch based on a very old design is waterproof and battery can be swapped out by undoing 4 philips screws, no glue. Its buttons can also be operated under water while staying waterproof. What is this whicraft?

I get it for watches, but I've never understood the mass-market need for a waterproof phone, outside of a few niche hobbies. Are people showering and swimming with their phones or something? Or dropping them in their toilets? The wettest my phone has ever been in 8 years is in my pocket while it's raining.

I'd rather have an 3.5mm audio jack

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by kergonath »

zahlman wrote: post #144
joe_mamba wrote: post #28

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My low-cost plastic Casio watch based on a very old design is waterproof and battery can be swapped out by undoing 4 philips screws, no glue. Its buttons can also be operated under water while staying waterproof. What is this whicraft?

How do they waterproof around the screws?

Usually there is a gasket, which ages just like glue (it gets stiff and brittle) and should be replaced every decade or so.
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