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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by mossTechnician »

Aurornis wrote: post #24

As others have mentioned this is for phones with batteries that can’t survive a reasonable number of cycles. That’s a reasonable exemption, in my opinion. I don’t want to pay the extra penalties of reduced structural rigidity and water tightness for a battery that I don’t need to replace for 3-4 years anyway. I do wish one manufacturer would make a flagship phone with replaceable battery so all of the uncompromising…

Many flagship phones promise 7 years of security updates now. 3-4 years means the battery will only last for half that time, and heavy users (1 cycle per day) will hit that quota in under 2.75 years.

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Post by c0n5pir4cy »

spockz wrote: post #14
wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

That had me thinking as well. What if the manufacturer says that to get to that number you are only allowed to charge it to 80% ever? My iPhone pro battery is at 92% at 417 cycles over 20 months.

So as far as I can tell, they can't do this as it's based on equivalent full-charge cycles - so that's nice at least.

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Post by i_am_jl »

joe_mamba wrote: post #28
foolfoolz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

My low-cost plastic Casio watch based on a very old design is waterproof and battery can be swapped out by undoing 4 philips screws, no glue. Its buttons can also be operated under water while staying waterproof. What is this whicraft?

An Apple product manager just fainted at the thought of a user taking a screwdriver to an iPhone.

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Post by gyomu »

mpalczewski wrote: post #27
_diyar wrote: post #8

Rule does not apply to gadgets that already retain 80% charge capacity at 1k charge cycles. What is the share of the smartphone market that this applies to?

My iphone 15 pro max. manufactured in Aug 2023. 536 cycles. is at 84%. I doubt it will make it to 1k at above 80%.

Huh interesting datapoint. I just checked on mine, also August 2023 15PM, and 86% @ 707 cycles here. I’m pretty careless with charging it whenever is convenient/letting it drain to 0% while traveling/etc as well.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by thechao »

Pxtl wrote: post #25
foolfoolz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

Timex has been making iron-man watches held together with Philips-head screws that can withstand 100 meters of water pressure since the mid-1980s. Waterproofing is no excuse for this nonsense.

I think the USB & speaker are the weak links for water ingress. Also, a removable battery would (probably?) significantly weaken the phone. So, if you dropped it, it'd be more likely to sustain real damage.

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Post by vile_wretch »

Pxtl wrote: post #41
Aurornis wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watch cases are relatively huge for what needs to be inside them. You can see the difference between an entire smartphone and a simple time keeping device, right? They also don’t have the long aspect ratio of phones (bending moment). This doesn’t compare to phones at all. It’s like trying to compare your TI-83 calculator to a MacBook Pro

Then use more screws. Stud them all the way down the perimeter of the back 1cm apart for all I care. Still better than heat-guns and prying.

Adding more holes to a surface isn't going to make it more waterproof

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Post by msh »

mpalczewski wrote: post #27
_diyar wrote: post #8

Rule does not apply to gadgets that already retain 80% charge capacity at 1k charge cycles. What is the share of the smartphone market that this applies to?

My iphone 15 pro max. manufactured in Aug 2023. 536 cycles. is at 84%. I doubt it will make it to 1k at above 80%.

My 15 pro max is at 649 cycles and 91%

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by exe34 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #28
foolfoolz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

My low-cost plastic Casio watch based on a very old design is waterproof and battery can be swapped out by undoing 4 philips screws, no glue. Its buttons can also be operated under water while staying waterproof. What is this whicraft?

technically you're meant to replace the rubber ring around it, but yes, not hard to do.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by vovavili »

wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

I wonder how much did the phone manufacturers spend on lobbying for this.
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