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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by Aurornis »

Pxtl wrote: post #25
foolfoolz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

Timex has been making iron-man watches held together with Philips-head screws that can withstand 100 meters of water pressure since the mid-1980s. Waterproofing is no excuse for this nonsense.

Watch cases are relatively huge for what needs to be inside them. You can see the difference between an entire smartphone and a simple time keeping device, right?

They also don’t have the long aspect ratio of phones (bending moment).

This doesn’t compare to phones at all. It’s like trying to compare your TI-83 calculator to a MacBook Pro

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by wmf »

spockz wrote: post #14
wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

That had me thinking as well. What if the manufacturer says that to get to that number you are only allowed to charge it to 80% ever? My iPhone pro battery is at 92% at 417 cycles over 20 months.

In that hypothetical scenario they should advertise 80% as the full capacity. Competition generally prevents this kind of "underclocking".

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by Pxtl »

ortusdux wrote: post #21
aniviacat wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a special tool is required for replacement, the manufacturer must provide it free of charge.

IIRC, screwdrivers and prying tools are not considered special. Removal cannot require solvents or heat, but I believe those pull tab glue pads are allowed.

I wish those prying tools were considered "special". I have a very low success rate at opening up any device that's held together with "clips" without snapping any plastic. It inevitably means "force it just hard-enough to break stuff if you don't do it absolutely perfectly".

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by whazor »

wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

Still, the majority of the population would get a phone with replaceable battery.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by dgellow »

hedora wrote: post #17
_diyar wrote: post #8

Rule does not apply to gadgets that already retain 80% charge capacity at 1k charge cycles. What is the share of the smartphone market that this applies to?

0%. Wait, that’s not true: In true regulatory capture fashion, I’ll bet the exemption requires some sort of testing/certification that makes it significantly more expensive for smaller firms to bring devices to market.

Might be a good idea to verify before sharing misinformation

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by mx7zysuj4xew »

washingupliquid wrote: post #3

...and Apple will be exempt due to a loophole in the law (80% after 1k cycles) making the law utterly pointless.

I keep hearing this over and over, but it's neglected to add that it sets a minimum durability requirement which applies only for a very small niche of ruggedized waterproof devices

Unless your device complies to MIL-STD-810G CN1 and has the certification to back it up your product will be required to add user replaceable batteries

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by thunfischbrot »

whazor wrote: post #34
wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

Still, the majority of the population would get a phone with replaceable battery.

In my bubble, some. In the general population? Very very few.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by hamdingers »

whazor wrote: post #34
wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

Still, the majority of the population would get a phone with replaceable battery.

All the top smartphone manufacturers hit that bar, at least for their mid and high end phones. The focus on apple is misleading and weird.

This will only impact bottom barrel phones.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by changoplatanero »

Aurornis wrote: post #31
Pxtl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Timex has been making iron-man watches held together with Philips-head screws that can withstand 100 meters of water pressure since the mid-1980s. Waterproofing is no excuse for this nonsense.

Watch cases are relatively huge for what needs to be inside them. You can see the difference between an entire smartphone and a simple time keeping device, right? They also don’t have the long aspect ratio of phones (bending moment). This doesn’t compare to phones at all. It’s like trying to compare your TI-83 calculator to a MacBook Pro

They also don't have speakers, microphones, and charging ports.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by reaperducer »

hedora wrote: post #17
_diyar wrote: post #8

Rule does not apply to gadgets that already retain 80% charge capacity at 1k charge cycles. What is the share of the smartphone market that this applies to?

0%. Wait, that’s not true: In true regulatory capture fashion, I’ll bet the exemption requires some sort of testing/certification that makes it significantly more expensive for smaller firms to bring devices to market.

Recently my 2021 macBook gave me an alert that its battery was not charging past 80%. I took it to the Apple Store and because it had only been through 971 charge cycles, the battery was replaced for free.
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