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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

#61

While sounding nice in theory, these sorts of regulations will certainly curtail innovation while providing very, very little value elsewhere. If people wanted removable batteries in their phones, they would buy them a lot. They don't.

Which flagship phones with replaceable batteries can customers buy?

Samsung was the last major brand in the US to have one, and they made the choice to remove it.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

#62

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i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

And 4 years old... I wouldn't buy this new

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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That had me thinking as well. What if the manufacturer says that to get to that number you are only allowed to charge it to 80% ever? My iPhone pro battery is at 92% at 417 cycles over 20 months.

Do what EVs do: make 100% on the display not 100.0% electro-chemically and 0% not be 0.0% chemically. This is a serious suggestion, as I think it’s actually net beneficial for the consumer.

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Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Rule does not apply to gadgets that already retain 80% charge capacity at 1k charge cycles. What is the share of the smartphone market that this applies to?

You can bet it will be measured in such a way that the major companies’ devices will qualify. And that it will have little bearing on the retained charge amount you’ll have in real life use. I’m at 82% and 714 cycles. But it’s a joke to suggest that all cycles are equal. Some people never go outside the 20-80 band, others charge to 100% and keep it there all day, then burn it down to 10%. Both of those generate “cycles” but are very far apart.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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My low-cost plastic Casio watch based on a very old design is waterproof and battery can be swapped out by undoing 4 philips screws, no glue. Its buttons can also be operated under water while staying waterproof. What is this whicraft?

technically you're meant to replace the rubber ring around it, but yes, not hard to do.

I actually never did. I think you're only supposed to replace it on those scuba-style watches with screw-on casebacks that shred the gasket when fully tightened to ensure a tight seal.

But on those watches with 4 screws on the case, the gasket seemed fine to me to keep reusing.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

#66

The link is not working for me, but I hope they have defined what "removable" means (removable without special tools) If not, a lot of companies are going to argue that they already make removable batteries

> If a special tool is required for replacement, the manufacturer must provide it free of charge.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi...

79-pound hyper-elaborate repair kit. Expensive for them to send out, but since only two people will ever want them to, probably amortizes well.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

#67
post #8

Rule does not apply to gadgets that already retain 80% charge capacity at 1k charge cycles. What is the share of the smartphone market that this applies to?

My iphone 15 pro max. manufactured in Aug 2023. 536 cycles. is at 84%. I doubt it will make it to 1k at above 80%.

We have similar phones. I’m now at 82% at 714 cycles. In real life, our devices wouldn’t qualify but I’m sure Apple will be allowed to write the testing methodology in a way that’ll be nice and gentle.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

#69

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IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

And 4 years old... I wouldn't buy this new

The comment is not meant to give you something to buy, it's just proof that it can technically be done, they just don't want to do it for modern flagships.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

My low-cost plastic Casio watch based on a very old design is waterproof and battery can be swapped out by undoing 4 philips screws, no glue. Its buttons can also be operated under water while staying waterproof. What is this whicraft?

I get it for watches, but I've never understood the mass-market need for a waterproof phone, outside of a few niche hobbies. Are people showering and swimming with their phones or something? Or dropping them in their toilets? The wettest my phone has ever been in 8 years is in my pocket while it's raining.
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