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Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by Ferret7446 »

ktallett wrote: post #15

I've had to take a moral stance and move to just playing games on Gog that I can buy and own the files for. No I can't play the latest and greatest but it's not the end of the world as I've so many classics to still play and enjoy. I can't support lockdown and DRM anymore. If I buy I want to own, otherwise I've not bought. It is true, if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

Generally any game you can buy on GoG is also DRM free on Steam. I mention since many people have the incorrect notion that all Steam games have DRM

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by pocksuppet »

everyone wrote: post #71
duped wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One reason anti piracy companies make a living is because companies that buy it see concrete increases in revenue as a result. It may not be every pirate who converts to a customer but DRM solutions are priced to be below the expected additional revenue. And it's not always cheap.

Do you have any data to support that? I'd actually be really interested to see. There are a lot of weird ass games with Denuvo (like Handball 17, Bus Simulator 18) I think at least sometimes paying a big DRM subscriptions is part of a money laundering scheme.

There's data against it. The EU conducted a study then suppressed it until an MP eventually made a FOIA request to get the results, because the results weren't what they wanted it to say. https://www.engadget.com/2017-09-22-eu-suppressed-study-pira...

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by danlitt »

ktallett wrote: post #15

I've had to take a moral stance and move to just playing games on Gog that I can buy and own the files for. No I can't play the latest and greatest but it's not the end of the world as I've so many classics to still play and enjoy. I can't support lockdown and DRM anymore. If I buy I want to own, otherwise I've not bought. It is true, if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

Likewise, I will not even consider paying for games (or music) that don't have an unencumbered download option. If the game is open source I will usually buy it without even thinking very hard about whether I'll play it.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by joe_mamba »

lousken wrote: post #83
akiselev wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CPU cache space for code is much smaller than GPU memory for models (and the former is more important for performance since many CPU operations like pipeline parallelism are latency bound, not compute bound).

This. Why spend extra on x3d cpu when you can have a reasonable game size (not that it has large enough cache anyway)

>This. Why spend extra on x3d cpu when you can have a reasonable game size (not that it has large enough cache anyway)

Because game(SW) devs/publishers don't care about spending money to optimize for reasonable size, and the enthusiast gamers want to play the game either way and will gladly fork out the cash for the HW to play it, if anything for the bragging rights.

Remember "will it run Crysis?" vintage 2007? Yeah, enthusiasts will be enthusiasts.

I'm a fan of the free market here. Badly optimized games will hurt their sales and force the studios to change or go bust, if the market decides so.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by Gigachad »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #88
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's fairly well demonstrated that piracy is a service problem. For example, many people will pay hundreds of dollars for a game on Steam rather than play it for free on Epic (Rocket League). So clearly the free price point is not the problem

To some extent. But in the first month where the game is $100 and the pirate version is free, there are plenty of people willing to pirate even if it’s inconvenient.

IMO drm is understandable at the games release, but it should be removed after the initial period.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by pdpi »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #91
ktallett wrote: post #15

I've had to take a moral stance and move to just playing games on Gog that I can buy and own the files for. No I can't play the latest and greatest but it's not the end of the world as I've so many classics to still play and enjoy. I can't support lockdown and DRM anymore. If I buy I want to own, otherwise I've not bought. It is true, if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

Generally any game you can buy on GoG is also DRM free on Steam. I mention since many people have the incorrect notion that all Steam games have DRM

There's still a difference — GOG provides you with downloadable installers you can archive, Steam doesn't.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by Ferret7446 »

altairprime wrote: post #10
Daedren wrote: post #6

Wonder what will be the consequences of this. I dislike Denuvo for the performance and stability penalties it gives games, but I do wonder if the "security" it gave publishers wasn't a big part of the reason why we've been getting more and more big name games on PC. This isn't about being right or wrong but about what the publishers will do when they see their games are again getting cracked day one, and if it'll be…

Denuvo’s market is ‘first 90 days’ revenue protection, not lifelong revenue protection. Lots of games using their crap remove it after a few months to shut down the flood of support issues the DRM causes. If only Microsoft hadn’t fucked up so badly with Windows 11 requiring an account, they’d have a way to stop using it altogether.

I feel like the "first 90 days" is just because games no longer include a demo, so they force players to commit to a purchase before a wide consensus forms. A lot of people pirate simply to try the game out. Most people who can afford the game would then purchase the game if it were good.

Re: Denuvo has been cracked in all single-player games it previously protected

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Post by Gigachad »

everyone wrote: post #68

Fyi, most of them have not been cracked, but bypassed using a hypervisor that operates in ring-1, so it is certainly a security risk.. Personally I've been voting with my wallet and *never* supporting DRM, so there have been some games where I'm just "Well, I guess I'll never play that game." At least I have an ethical option to play certain games now, I'm just gonna use a seperate blank pc cus these bypasses are nov…

All software piracy is a security risk since they could embed malware in the game.
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