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Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by ouraf »

jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

I encourage you to mail them specifically about this concern.

If it is a matter of communication, they can fix and clarify it. If it's genuinely scummy, they can change their approach now that they know they were caught in the act

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

gpm wrote: post #379
jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

I'm not a lawyer, but the only part of this that seems objectionable is the "telemetry" bit, the rest of it basically seems to say "we can use things you send us to do the things you asked us to do, including for support purposes. We can comply with the law as necessary (e.g. responding to warrants)". That said the definition of "telemetry" is so broad that I think it would include training a LLM and the like. Teleme…

The problem is that I don’t send them anything. So it’s “we can use whatever of yours that the application we wrote sends to us”.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by vadepaysa »

Congrats to the Zed! I've been using zed since their first launch on HN. They did not even have a search + replace function at that time! I now use zed all_the_time.

What an awesome journey!

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by coldtea »

coldtea wrote: post #446
meantub wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't you forgetting the part that says "solely: (a) to perform its obligations set forth in the Terms, including its Support obligations as applicable; (b) to derive and generate Telemetry (see Section 4.4); and (c) as necessary to comply with applicable Laws. Except as required by applicable Laws, Zed will not provide Customer Data to any person or entity other than Customer’s designees (including pursuant to Sect…

> Aren't you forgetting the part that says "solely: (a) to perform its obligations set forth in the Terms, including its Support obligations as applicable; (b) to derive and generate Telemetry (see Section 4.4); and (c) as necessary to comply with applicable Laws None of the above I like, and (a) is so vague as to be useless, including if you read the obligations. > Except as required by applicable Laws, Zed will not…

Apparently you can do:

  "telemetry": {
    "diagnostics": false,
    "metrics": false
  }

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by gpm »

coldtea wrote: post #454
coldtea wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Aren't you forgetting the part that says "solely: (a) to perform its obligations set forth in the Terms, including its Support obligations as applicable; (b) to derive and generate Telemetry (see Section 4.4); and (c) as necessary to comply with applicable Laws None of the above I like, and (a) is so vague as to be useless, including if you read the obligations. > Except as required by applicable Laws, Zed will not…

Apparently you can do: "telemetry": { "diagnostics": false, "metrics": false }

The telemetry section of the TOS explicitly clarifies that that does not restrict their ability to use the data that is sent to them.

> Customer may configure the Software to opt out of the collection of certain Telemetry Processed locally by the Software itself, but Zed may still collect, generate, and Process Telemetry on Zed’s servers.

Note that they have (or did have, I haven't used their editor in awhile) an AI tab completion feature... it's safe to assume that all of the code you edit is sent to them at least when that is enabled.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by sneak »

jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

Any local editor that includes any sort of telemetry whatsoever is an instant nonstarter for me.

What’s local stays entirely and totally local, always and every time, otherwise what’s the point?

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by roryokane »

nu11ptr wrote: post #149

Have they made a way to move those tiny icons in the lower left (aka "activity bar") to larger icons on the upper left like VsCode? As it stands, I can barely see them on my 4K screen and selecting them with a mouse cursor is like a pixel hunting contest. No go for me until they offer a way to change that. Beyond that it seems like a decent editor, but if I can't switch modes back and forth, that is a deal breaker. U…

While larger icons might be ideal, note that (according to those linked discussions) those icons also have associated keyboard shortcuts, which are displayed when you hover over each icon. If you memorized those shortcuts, you would no longer have to “pixel hunt” to switch modes.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by makeitdouble »

meantub wrote: post #378
jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

Aren't you forgetting the part that says "solely: (a) to perform its obligations set forth in the Terms, including its Support obligations as applicable; (b) to derive and generate Telemetry (see Section 4.4); and (c) as necessary to comply with applicable Laws. Except as required by applicable Laws, Zed will not provide Customer Data to any person or entity other than Customer’s designees (including pursuant to Sect…

None of that would require the "create derivative works" part.

I honestly can't see any legitimate reason why they'd have the right to derivate work from yours, and you don't insert that kind of terms by mistake.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by frio »

f311a wrote: post #11

Too bad they did not include better search UI into this release. When you search, Zed opens a new tab, which I hate. Sometimes I just want to have a quick glance at some code and close the search using escape. Telescope style search in vim, helix or JetBrains tools is so much better. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/46478

I use the television task described here (https://zed.dev/blog/hidden-gems-part-2) for that experience :)

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by [deleted] »

KPGv2 wrote: post #437
halJordan wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bad faith take. The terms are modifiable without the customer's consent or knowledge so "pursuant to these terms" is meaningless. No one needs all those rights to do what this block says it's going to do. Any one would require that block to be changed in any contract between equals. But this is a contract of adhesion, so it's uncharitable for you to demand charity where they withhold their charity

Can you cite the passage that authorizes Zed to modify the terms without the user's consent? Before I retired, my job was, inter alia, writing software licenses. I was GC for a tech company. I'd like to validate what you're saying, bc I'm the author of a Zed plugin and I wrote a language grammar that another plugin uses. I don't use Zed, but I occasionally consider switching.

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