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Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by albedoa »

nicoburns wrote: post #295
GuB-42 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is "one time" in the sense that it will never stop working, unlike a subscription model. You are however limited to 3 years of updates, so if you want to keep up to date, it is $80 for 3 years. Which if fine for me, it is the one piece of software I used the most except for the browser and OS, I even use it to make money, $80 / 3 years is not much. It is also the kind of software I like to support. It is... respec…

Ah, you are correct. I thought a renewal was only required for a new major version after 3 years. But it's actually any update after 3 years. Which is still pretty reasonable (but not quite such a good deal)!

I also thought that it was perpetual. Maybe they changed it. Either way, the three-year subscription is news to me.

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Post by nickelpro »

serf wrote: post #353
nickelpro wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is way too equivocating. You are a craftsman, learn your tools. Could you imagine the equivalent from other professionals? A machinist saying, "Understanding the differences and interop places between the DRO, hand controls, and CNC controls for the lathe can be a big confusing time hog." It takes a couple of hours, and it's a tool you use every single day. Learning how it works is the price of entry, not a moun…

lol ok but where does it stop? I got into programming long before LSPs and MCPs. The only craftsmen are the ones at the edge of the lingo tree? To use your own analogy, as a machinist myself : I can master the concept of the lathe and bow drill without learning simulation-driven CAM, and I would be no less a machinist than the guy pressing buttons on a brand new Haas. If you work via notepad.exe and assembly with a c…

It stops at the tools you use, "it's a tool you use every single day". If it's not a tool you use every day, you don't need to learn it.

If you don't use language servers, you don't engage with development environments which rely on them, you need not learn them.

If you're making chips on a Monarch 60 you don't need to learn shit about CNC. If you're pushing buttons on a Haas you do.

If you're coming from a Monarch and want to try pushing buttons on the Haas on the kids are using, you need to learn how CNC works. That's your job. If you want to switch from notepad to Zed, you need to learn how language servers work.

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Post by desireco42 »

jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

Yeah this really makes you wonder... now, they are to best of my knowledge fantastic people, so I guess some lawyer slipped this in. I would love to hear some clarification and will always give them benefit of the doubt.

So far they've been great and product is fantastic as you know.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by [deleted] »

Meekro wrote: post #44

I really want to like Zed because they've clearly put so much work into it, but so far I've been sticking with Sublime. I have several large PHP projects that were started in the 2010-2020 era, and Zed will highlight and complain about all sorts of minor things that were standard PHP fare at the time: functions without return types, for example. My code (which works fine) looks like an ocean of red when I view it wit…

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Post by uneekname »

jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

Oof. Is this for the software itself or their add-on LLM subscription?

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Post by meantub »

jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

Aren't you forgetting the part that says "solely: (a) to perform its obligations set forth in the Terms, including its Support obligations as applicable; (b) to derive and generate Telemetry (see Section 4.4); and (c) as necessary to comply with applicable Laws. Except as required by applicable Laws, Zed will not provide Customer Data to any person or entity other than Customer’s designees (including pursuant to Section 7) or service providers."

Seems like legalese to be able to take that data for support reasons, telemetry, and local laws that require that data be sent to them. I think ignoring this portion is a little uncharitable to them.

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Post by gpm »

jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

I'm not a lawyer, but the only part of this that seems objectionable is the "telemetry" bit, the rest of it basically seems to say "we can use things you send us to do the things you asked us to do, including for support purposes. We can comply with the law as necessary (e.g. responding to warrants)".

That said the definition of "telemetry" is so broad that I think it would include training a LLM and the like. Telemetry is defined in section 4.4 as

> Zed may collect, generate, and Process information, including technical logs, metrics, and data and learnings, related to the Software and Service (“Telemetry”) to improve and support the Services and for other lawful business purposes.

I guess that it's so opaque is also objectionable. Contracts don't have to be inscrutable.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by aljaz823 »

jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

I understand that differently. The last part of the statement is important I think. It reads as if this grants them the right to "Process" "Customer Data": 1. to perform its obligations, including support obligations, 2. to perform telemetry, 3. when required by law.

This is sensible, no?

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