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HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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so where should people move to instead

Different places. Stop centralising the web. Embrace diversity.

This would be best, though it's a big ask, when everyone has gone from self hosting plus a sprinkling of cloud services, to only cloud services and no remembrance of how to self host.

I used to run a git server for all my main projects, and mirrored public ones on GitHub. Then the convenience of GitHub lured me in, to the point I shut down my private git server 5 years ago.

Now I kinda regret that decision.

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It isn't surprising at all, Microsoft is doing a PE firm playbook with what they buy. You don't need to look much far, let's think about its biggest acquisition to date, Blizzard. Blizzcon canceled. All of its IP barely got any love. See what players think about the latest World of Warcraft patch. It's absolutely shit and broken. People say they fired the entire QA department since a few years back and since then the…

Just FYI Blizzcon is returning in September.

https://blizzcon.com/en-us/event/

Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Is Gitlab doing better at this point? Or where do they stand?

TLDR; don't use their SaaS offering, but probably better, yes, though who knows for how long.

I don't use their SaaS offering, but I've been using the self-hosted versions (mostly in CE flavours, but occasionally paid) since the days of the weird black and white fox, when gitlab looked very bootstrap-y. (The logo in question for the curious, but you can't unsee it: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Gitlab_l... )

Anyway, since LLMs for coding became a thing, coupled with the realities of running a business post-IPO, it's been a slow-ish downward trend for the self-hoster, as their offering gets more and more bloat that's likely easier to manage at scale for Gitlab, but stands in stark contrast to what it once was.

Little things are pilling up; components left for dead (we now have both TODO - which is an abysmal mess, and "assigned work items" - WHY?!), issue boards that remain messy, advertisements creeping into the CE version, increasingly wild hardware requirements... and some recent changes to their documentation that strike me as a dark pattern; very much a recognition that either you're an enterprise running your own paid GitLab, with some kind of support, or you're a SaaS user and don't GAF about the ops docs.

The transition to websockets was annoying. Mostly because it kinda-doesn't work and there's no decent polling fallback, which results in time wasted hitting refresh, in 2026, when everything worked fine from 201x-2025.

I've kept my eye out for alternatives, but Gitlab's CI/CD, and the self hosted runners, is still my preferred flavour hands down and continues to be the reason I stick around.

Overall, it's a much slower decline, but like all stock-market-centric companies, you can feel the writing on the wall. Nevertheless, we're in the middle of a Gitlab migration from one cloud provider to anther because we still haven't found something better. :/

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Interesting! I worked with Gitlab and I also thought it was quite clunky. If it was not for the stability issues GitHub is fine. Any other alternatives to GH or GL?

Jira / Bitbucket / Teamcity. Might be pricy though.

Having used Teamcity for CI I cannot think of a more clunky and hard to use system (compared to GHA, which is what we migrated to).

Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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everyone knew M$ would ruin github the fake surprise is so fake

M$ bought GH almost a decad ago. Instability is more due to mainstream traffic, combined (+ AI automation pushes on pointless repos) than some slow motion evil mastermind plot. Hanlon's razor applies.

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It isn't surprising at all, Microsoft is doing a PE firm playbook with what they buy. You don't need to look much far, let's think about its biggest acquisition to date, Blizzard. Blizzcon canceled. All of its IP barely got any love. See what players think about the latest World of Warcraft patch. It's absolutely shit and broken. People say they fired the entire QA department since a few years back and since then the…

I don’t think this is true across Blizzard. Overwatch is the best it’s ever been.

The Steam userbase would appear to disagree, with the recent reviews being mostly negative reviews (and the user reviews for Overwatch have hovered between mixed and negative for years now). And this doesn't appear to be from review bombing by some specific subset of players, the language breakdown shows reviews ranging from mixed to negative in all major language groups (English, Russian, Chinese, etc.).

Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Mee too. We just did a very similar migration at work it's incredibly frustrating, I've got all my CI ported over and now this. MSFT should just create slophub.com they'd make money im sure.

Honest question, why are companies interested in hosting on github? As a private person I use it too as a free hoster, but from work I mainly know self hosted instances of jenkins and TeamCity.

I don’t know why you would even really need hosted git or why you’d be affected by its downtime. Git is decentralized by design. One node going down should not stop development. You don’t need a “central hub” to keep working.

I guess it’s all the other non-git stuff like issue tracking and other (unfortunately) centralized products on GitHub that causes disruption when they go down.

Weird how GitHub built itself around a distributed VC system and then made all its other services centralized.

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Created a repository to track all the latest github projects (ironically, my project is on github xD) https://github.com/SerJaimeLannister/who-left-gh/ Currently I know 3 projects, Ghostty, Bookstack-app, Hardenedbsd who have seemed to move away from Github from my understanding.

The Zig project has also left GitHub relatively recently https://ziglang.org/news/migrating-from-github-to-codeberg/

Thanks to both you and mi_lk, I have added zig to the list.

Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Nothing is pissing me off more than GitHub's stability going down the tubes RIGHT as work is migrating everything, and I mean everything, from CircleCI to GH. The wildest thing is that Azure Repos/Pipelines was better than this. Their one caveat is also that they are still migrating it to Azure infra, so it's possible that's still in a one foot in one foot out kinda scenario, from what I've heard. But, this isn't ins…

You can cancel the migration, no need for sunk cost fallacy.
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