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HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by tclancy »

deadbabe wrote: post #25

I feel like I’m out of the loop, or maybe I’m just not a super GitHub power user, but GitHub does pretty much what I expect and I haven’t had issues with it. All my git commands for GitHub just work and PRs and code reviews are the same as it’s always been. Can someone explain what exactly is so bad now that leaving it entirely to use some new platform, even spinning up your own servers, is a reasonable alternative?

It's more if you use it for things beyond traditional dev work. GitHub Actions have become very unstable plus someone using it at this level where people are trying to download/ file issues/ send code up 24/7 would feel the pain of every outage, not just those that happen during one's working hours.

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Post by rufasterisco »

WestCoader wrote: post #6

Nothing is pissing me off more than GitHub's stability going down the tubes RIGHT as work is migrating everything, and I mean everything, from CircleCI to GH. The wildest thing is that Azure Repos/Pipelines was better than this. Their one caveat is also that they are still migrating it to Azure infra, so it's possible that's still in a one foot in one foot out kinda scenario, from what I've heard. But, this isn't ins…

i might be connecting unrelated dots, yet when i read "migration to Azure" this came back to me

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47616242 https://isolveproblems.substack.com/p/how-microsoft-vaporize...

Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by Insanity »

WestCoader wrote: post #6

Nothing is pissing me off more than GitHub's stability going down the tubes RIGHT as work is migrating everything, and I mean everything, from CircleCI to GH. The wildest thing is that Azure Repos/Pipelines was better than this. Their one caveat is also that they are still migrating it to Azure infra, so it's possible that's still in a one foot in one foot out kinda scenario, from what I've heard. But, this isn't ins…

If you’re making this change now, I wonder how the technical leadership evaluated GitHub and its competitors.. and then still landed on GH.

What made it better than e.g GitLab?

Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by ambicapter »

HWR_14 wrote: post #69
parthdesai wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question, have you been part of an org that had to scale orders of magnitude very quickly? Anyone who has been part of that journey knows how painful it really is. A lot of times the systems to fail at all levels, and you have to redesign it from the first principles.

Is GitHub scaling by orders of magnitude though? That would be an insane increase at this stage of their lifecycle.

If they're suffering the onslaught of ai slop, it's possible.

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Post by jefftime »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #57
napolux wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do we have already an HN user creating "who-left-gh.net"? (domain is free)

Created a repository to track all the latest github projects (ironically, my project is on github xD) https://github.com/SerJaimeLannister/who-left-gh/ Currently I know 3 projects, Ghostty, Bookstack-app, Hardenedbsd who have seemed to move away from Github from my understanding.

The Zig project has also left GitHub relatively recently

https://ziglang.org/news/migrating-from-github-to-codeberg/

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Post by jodrellblank »

HWR_14 wrote: post #69
parthdesai wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question, have you been part of an org that had to scale orders of magnitude very quickly? Anyone who has been part of that journey knows how painful it really is. A lot of times the systems to fail at all levels, and you have to redesign it from the first principles.

Is GitHub scaling by orders of magnitude though? That would be an insane increase at this stage of their lifecycle.

They say it is at least one order of magnitude[1]; "our plan to increase GitHub’s capacity by 10X in October 2025 .. By February 2026, it was clear that we needed to design for a future that requires 30X today’s scale."

[1] https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/an-update-on-...

Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by argee »

deadbabe wrote: post #25

I feel like I’m out of the loop, or maybe I’m just not a super GitHub power user, but GitHub does pretty much what I expect and I haven’t had issues with it. All my git commands for GitHub just work and PRs and code reviews are the same as it’s always been. Can someone explain what exactly is so bad now that leaving it entirely to use some new platform, even spinning up your own servers, is a reasonable alternative?

I’m a relatively casual user of GitHub and even I’ve run into availability issues when pushing up changes. Your comment makes it sound like you don’t use GitHub much at all or maybe are in some time zone or AZ that’s somehow insulated.

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Post by mi_lk »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #57
napolux wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do we have already an HN user creating "who-left-gh.net"? (domain is free)

Created a repository to track all the latest github projects (ironically, my project is on github xD) https://github.com/SerJaimeLannister/who-left-gh/ Currently I know 3 projects, Ghostty, Bookstack-app, Hardenedbsd who have seemed to move away from Github from my understanding.

arguably Zig started the trend just about the time GH really gone shit (this year)

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Post by idkyall »

Mashimo wrote: post #55
embedding-shape wrote: post #35

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> Honest question, why are companies interested in hosting on github? Mostly boils down to marketing and easier to establish a community. Almost every developer has an account there, leading to network effects being much larger, so if you're a new FOSS project, finding contributors and getting your project in front of other's eyes is much easier when you're on GitHub compared to your own Forgejo instance. With that s…

Oh FOSS projects I totally understand. It's where I go to too. But closed source companies surly don't need to establish a community?

Usually, at large enough corporations, it's one of two things. Some random project gets open sourced, and it ends up on Github(see, for example, Salesforce) - or, more commonly, some subsidiary or acquisition had github and has either refused to migrate to the internal source system or the hassle of migration isn't worth it.

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Post by rmaus »

embedding-shape wrote: post #29
biglyburrito wrote: post #21

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I'm on the other side of the fence. We're just about done migrating from GitHub to GitLab (self-hosted) and it's been refreshing to DGAF about any of the GH outages I read about.

Similar boat myself too, finished moving all important stuff from GitHub to self-hosted Forgejo with cross-platform builds. Not only do I avoid all the downtime stuff, but E2E builds also takes ~20% of the completion time it used to take, since now my runners have dedicated hardware hosted at home.

To maintain a fair comparison, GitHub has supported self-hosted runners for several years (maybe that doesn’t work for your specific usage, for whatever reason).
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