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DeepSeek v4

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Post by hsiudh »

ifwinterco wrote: post #278
jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

As a Brit I'm here for it to be honest, I'm tired of America with everything that's going on. China is not perfect but a bit of competition is healthy and needed

"not perfect" is a _very_ big simplification of what China is though

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Post by Hamuko »

sudo_cowsay wrote: post #292
jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

I sometimes wonder if there are any security risks with using Chinese LLMs. Is there?

There must be. The executives at my company wouldn't have banned them all for no reason after all.

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Post by ibic »

jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

"Open Source" is the ultimate romance understood by software engineers.

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Post by taurath »

fblp wrote: post #13

There's something heartwarming about the developer docs being released before the flashy press release.

Their audience is people who build stuff, techs audience is enterprise CEOs and politicians, and anyone else happy to hype up all the questionably timed releases and warnings of danger, white collar irrelevence, or promises of utopian paradise right before a funding round.

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Post by stared »

primaprashant wrote: post #227

While SWE-bench Verified is not a perfect benchmark for coding, AFAIK, this is the first open-weights model that has crossed the threshold of 80% score on this by scoring 80.6%. Back in Nov 2025, Opus 4.5 (80.9%) was the first proprietary model to do so.

SWE-bench Verified is, at this point, contaminated https://openai.com/index/why-we-no-longer-evaluate-swe-bench...

So it os hard to tell how much of a model gain is due to skill, and how much - overfitting.

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Post by zerr »

sidcool wrote: post #45

Truly open source coming from China. This is heartwarming. I know if the potential ulterior motives.

Do they also open-source censoring filter rules? Like, you can't ask what happened at Tiananmen Square in 1989.

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Post by bdamm »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #289
elefanten wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not remotely hypothetical you’d have to be living under a rock to believe that. And the fusion with a one-party state government that doesn’t tolerate huge swathes of thoughtspace being freely discussed is completely streamlined, not mediated by any guardrails or accountability. This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hooveri…

The USA has one of the highest percentages of their population in prison. Even for minor stuff like beeing addicted to drugs. Looks pretty totalitarian to me.

And in China the state can harvest your organs for political crimes or even just being the wrong religion.

Not quite the same.

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Post by simonjgreen »

peepee1982 wrote: post #287
amunozo wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking the same. How can it be than other providers can offer third-party open source models with roughly the similar quality like this, Kimi K2.6 or GLM 5.1 for 10 times less the price? How can it be that GPT 5.5 is suddenly twice the price as GPT 5.4 while being faster? I don't believe that it's a bigger, more expensive model to run, it's just they're starting to raise up the prices because they can and the…

I'm pretty sure OpenAI and Anthropic are overpricing their token billed API usage mainly as an incentive to commit to get their subscriptions instead.

Anthropic recently dropped all inclusive use from new enterprise subscriptions, your seat sub gets you a seat with no usage. All usage is then charged at API rates. It’s like a worst of both worlds!

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Post by timmmk »

ifwinterco wrote: post #278
jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

As a Brit I'm here for it to be honest, I'm tired of America with everything that's going on. China is not perfect but a bit of competition is healthy and needed

Fellow countryman here. I came here to say the same thing
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