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Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by sho »

So, this is the version that's able to serve inference from Huawei chips, although it was still trained on nVidia. So unless I'm very much mistaken this is the biggest and best model yet served on (sort of) readily-available chinese-native tech. Performance and stability will be interesting to see; openrouter currently saying about 1.12s and 30tps, which isn't wonderful but it's day one after all.

For reference, the huawei Ascend 950 that this thing runs on is supposed to be roughly comparable to nVidia's H100 from 2022. In other words, things are hotting up in the GPU war!

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by sixhobbits »

I know people don't like Twitter links here but the main link just goes to their main docs site generic 'getting started' page.

The website now has a link to the announcement on Twitter here https://x.com/deepseek_ai/status/2047516922263285776

Copying text of that below

DeepSeek-V4 Preview is officially live & open-sourced! Welcome to the era of cost-effective 1M context length.

DeepSeek-V4-Pro: 1.6T total / 49B active params. Performance rivaling the world's top closed-source models.

DeepSeek-V4-Flash: 284B total / 13B active params. Your fast, efficient, and economical choice.

Try it now at http://chat.deepseek.com via Expert Mode / Instant Mode. API is updated & available today!

Tech Report: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Pro/blob/main...

Open Weights: https://huggingface.co/collections/deepseek-ai/deepseek-v4

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sekai wrote: post #235
revolvingthrow wrote: post #160

> pricing "Pro" $3.48 / 1M output tokens vs $4.40 I’d like somebody to explain to me how the endless comments of "bleeding edge labs are subsidizing the inference at an insane rate" make sense in light of a humongous model like v4 pro being $4 per 1M. I’d bet even the subscriptions are profitable, much less the API prices. edit: $1.74/M input $3.48/M output on OpenRouter

> I’d like somebody to explain to me how the endless comments of "bleeding edge labs are subsidizing the inference at an insane rate" make sense in light of a humongous model like v4 pro being $4 per 1M. I’d bet even the subscriptions are profitable, much less the API prices. One answer - Chinese Communist Party. They are being subsidized by the state.

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Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by peepee1982 »

amunozo wrote: post #267
revolvingthrow wrote: post #160

> pricing "Pro" $3.48 / 1M output tokens vs $4.40 I’d like somebody to explain to me how the endless comments of "bleeding edge labs are subsidizing the inference at an insane rate" make sense in light of a humongous model like v4 pro being $4 per 1M. I’d bet even the subscriptions are profitable, much less the API prices. edit: $1.74/M input $3.48/M output on OpenRouter

I was thinking the same. How can it be than other providers can offer third-party open source models with roughly the similar quality like this, Kimi K2.6 or GLM 5.1 for 10 times less the price? How can it be that GPT 5.5 is suddenly twice the price as GPT 5.4 while being faster? I don't believe that it's a bigger, more expensive model to run, it's just they're starting to raise up the prices because they can and the…

I'm pretty sure OpenAI and Anthropic are overpricing their token billed API usage mainly as an incentive to commit to get their subscriptions instead.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by specproc »

sandos wrote: post #195
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think we need to compare models to Opus anymore. Opus users don't care about other models, as they're convinced Opus will be better forever. And non-Opus users don't want the expense, lock-in or limits. As a non-Opus user, I'll continue to use the cheapest fastest models that get my job done, which (for me anyway) is still MiniMax M2.5. I occasionally try a newer, more expensive model, and I get the same resu…

Is Opus nerfed somehow in Copilot? Ive tried it numerous times, it has never reallt woved me. They seem to have awfully small context windows, but still. Its mostly their reasoning which has been off Codex is just so much better, or the genera GPT models.

Opus just got killed in Copilot. I always found it great, FWIW.

https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/changes-to-gi...

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by randomNumber7 »

elefanten wrote: post #208
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American companies want a scan of your asshole for the privilege of paying to access their models, and unapologetically admit to storing, analyzing, training on, and freely giving your data to any authorities if requested. Chinese ulteriority is hypothetical, American is blatant.

It’s not remotely hypothetical you’d have to be living under a rock to believe that. And the fusion with a one-party state government that doesn’t tolerate huge swathes of thoughtspace being freely discussed is completely streamlined, not mediated by any guardrails or accountability. This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hooveri…

The USA has one of the highest percentages of their population in prison.

Even for minor stuff like beeing addicted to drugs.

Looks pretty totalitarian to me.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by spiderfarmer »

slekker wrote: post #252
jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

But remember to not ask about Taiwan!

Just ask it for a summary of the USA’s role in Iran, Gaza, Lebanon and its recent threats against Panama, Cuba and Greenland! It might be able to keep track.
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