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DeepSeek v4

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Post by wuschel »

ind-igo wrote: post #120
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think we need to compare models to Opus anymore. Opus users don't care about other models, as they're convinced Opus will be better forever. And non-Opus users don't want the expense, lock-in or limits. As a non-Opus user, I'll continue to use the cheapest fastest models that get my job done, which (for me anyway) is still MiniMax M2.5. I occasionally try a newer, more expensive model, and I get the same resu…

Agree with your assessment, I think after models reached around Opus 4.5 level, its been almost indistinguishable for most tasks. Intelligence has been commoditized, what's important now is the workflows, prompting, and context management. And that is unique to each model.

This is not true for some cases e.g. there are stark differences in the correctness of answers in certain type of case work.

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Post by Alifatisk »

CJefferson wrote: post #118

What's the current best framework to have a 'claude code' like experience with Deepseek (or in general, an open-source model), if I wanted to play?

You can use CC with other models, you aren’t forced to use Claude model.

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Post by esperent »

whoopdeepoo wrote: post #125
CJefferson wrote: post #118

What's the current best framework to have a 'claude code' like experience with Deepseek (or in general, an open-source model), if I wanted to play?

You can use deepseek with Claude code

You can, but does it work well? I assume CC has all kinds of Claude specific prompts in it, wouldn't you be better with a harness designed to be model agnostic like pi.dev or OpenCode?

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Post by sekai »

revolvingthrow wrote: post #160

> pricing "Pro" $3.48 / 1M output tokens vs $4.40 I’d like somebody to explain to me how the endless comments of "bleeding edge labs are subsidizing the inference at an insane rate" make sense in light of a humongous model like v4 pro being $4 per 1M. I’d bet even the subscriptions are profitable, much less the API prices. edit: $1.74/M input $3.48/M output on OpenRouter

> I’d like somebody to explain to me how the endless comments of "bleeding edge labs are subsidizing the inference at an insane rate" make sense in light of a humongous model like v4 pro being $4 per 1M. I’d bet even the subscriptions are profitable, much less the API prices.

One answer - Chinese Communist Party. They are being subsidized by the state.

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

sidcool wrote: post #45

Truly open source coming from China. This is heartwarming. I know if the potential ulterior motives.

I don’t care about whatever “ulterior motives” they might have

My country’s per capita income is $2500 a year. We can’t pay perpetual rent to OAI/Anthropic

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Post by esperent »

rohanm93 wrote: post #153

This is shockingly cheap for a near frontier model. This is insane. For context, for an agent we're working on, we're using 5-mini, which is $2/1m tokens. This is $0.30/1m tokens. And it's Opus 4.6 level - this can't be real. I am uncomfortable about sending user data which may contain PII to their servers in China so I won't be using this as appealing as it sounds. I need this to come to a US-hosted environment at a…

> I am uncomfortable about sending user data which may contain PII to their servers in China

As a European I feel deeply uncomfortable about sending data to US companies where I know for sure that the government has access to it.

I also feel uncomfortable sending it to China.

If you'd asked me ten years ago which one made me more uncomfortable. China.

But now I'm not so sure, in fact I'm starting to lean towards the US as being the major risk.

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Post by jari_mustonen »

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it!

Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when monopolies break down?

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Post by vitorgrs »

throwa356262 wrote: post #217

Seriously, why can't huge companies like OpenAI and Google produce documentation that is half this good?? https://api-docs.deepseek.com/guides/thinking_mode No BS, just a concise description of exactly what I need to write my own agent.

Meanwhile, they don't actually say which model you are running on Deepseek Chat website.
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