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Post by philwelch »

kamaal wrote: post #117
epoxyhockey wrote: post #65

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Coming from someone who isn't really engaged in the whole Israel-Palestine thing (and, honestly, won't be until they cause the next world war), this little display makes me feel like IDF is presenting a very real, serious act (killing a person) as if it is a game. The trophy eliminated graphic and youtube video.. it's almost like they aren't even serious about killing people and using military force. It has a reckles…

>>as if it is a game. Its not even a game actually. I mean you are comparing two forces of totally unequal magnitude. Israel probably has several hundreds of times a more military power, air power and naval power than the Palestinians. The Palestinians do not even have a remote chance of even touching Israel. >>it's almost like they aren't even serious about killing people and using military force. Your opponents hav…

> The Palestinians do not even have a remote chance of even touching Israel.

Tell that to all the Israelis killed by Palestinian terrorism.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by kamaal »

philwelch wrote: post #121
kamaal wrote: post #117

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>>as if it is a game. Its not even a game actually. I mean you are comparing two forces of totally unequal magnitude. Israel probably has several hundreds of times a more military power, air power and naval power than the Palestinians. The Palestinians do not even have a remote chance of even touching Israel. >>it's almost like they aren't even serious about killing people and using military force. Your opponents hav…

> The Palestinians do not even have a remote chance of even touching Israel. Tell that to all the Israelis killed by Palestinian terrorism.

There is only a insane person that will justify killing anybody. I mean anybody. No matter who kills whom.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by eoin_murphy »

cema wrote: post #62
eoin_murphy wrote: post #36

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It may be for domestic consumption but there are plenty of Palestinians who do speak English and I'm pretty sure at least some of them are on Twitter. After all, if a Danish cartoon in a newspaper can set off riots in countries where it is not published then I'm sure public posts on a very popular website will get some coverage. Regardless of how the Palestinians react to it, it does just seem a very dehumanized way…

if a Danish cartoon in a newspaper can set off riots in countries where it is not published ...and several months after it has been published. What does it tell us? There are people who trigger the riots and decide when and how to influence the crowds. They, or their adjutants, are interested in using the "Danish newspapers"; not the people on the street. it does just seem a very dehumanized way of approaching a conf…

I agree absolutely. There are individuals and groups out there drumming up controversy whenever they can, whatever their motives are.

I didn't mean to compare the two in terms of which was ok, I was just pointing out that saying " Most Palestinians probably don't read english anyways." doesn't mean they won't be aware of it regardless of whether or not they are the "intended" audience

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by eoin_murphy »

xenophanes wrote: post #53
eoin_murphy wrote: post #36

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It may be for domestic consumption but there are plenty of Palestinians who do speak English and I'm pretty sure at least some of them are on Twitter. After all, if a Danish cartoon in a newspaper can set off riots in countries where it is not published then I'm sure public posts on a very popular website will get some coverage. Regardless of how the Palestinians react to it, it does just seem a very dehumanized way…

What dehumanizing? You give no examples. I go to the twitter feed and see tweets like this: > Over 50 rockets fired from #Gaza hit Israel since yesterday -- more than 800 rockets in 2012 alone. RT this. #Hamas > 1 million citizens in #Israel slept in bomb shelters tonight, barraged by dozens of rockets from #Gaza. pic.twitter.com/LqPfjaTj Seems like they are explaining things in simple terms so more humans can unders…

It's dehumanizing because the targets are painted as one-dimensional figures to be "eliminated" not a people who have been killed. See paragraph 3 in the linked post

I'm not saying they're not justified in doing what they're doing (that's a whole other 70+ year conversation) but this is the same as any other propaganda to 'other' the enemy.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by natex »

From the Reuters article, "Panicking civilians ran for cover and the death toll mounted quickly. Ten people including three children were killed, the health ministry said, and about 40 were wounded. Also among the dead were an 11-month-old baby and a woman pregnant with twins."

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by xenophanes »

mkhattab wrote: post #74
xenophanes wrote: post #49

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And you believe posting anti-semitic remarks in public is appropriate. We should care about your opinion why? Flagged.

Could you please spare us from the anti-semitic card? HN is not the mainstream media and many here are not ignorant, so this tactic doesn't work here. It also betrays your lack of objectivity on the matter.

Dude, he played the fucking nazi card before i said a word. And you're defending him, and saying I'm super PC b/c i think calling israelis "nazis" is not ok. wtf is your problem.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by xenophanes »

skrebbel wrote: post #64
xenophanes wrote: post #49

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And you believe posting anti-semitic remarks in public is appropriate. We should care about your opinion why? Flagged.

I'm curious, why do you equate "critical of the Israeli government" to antisemitism? I have no problem with Jews at all. In fact, if you read carefully, you'll see that the word Jew (or anything like it) does not appear in my post.

Dude, you called them nazis and then you assume i'm mad about any kind of criticism? you can't figure out it's actually that specific statement that's a problem?

the excuse that "i am only criticizing israel (which just happens to be the jewish state, what a coincidence), not jews" is an extremely common statement of anti-semites. using it without further elaboration only makes you look more anti-semitic.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by xenophanes »

skrebbel wrote: post #99
gyardley wrote: post #95

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There are ways to be critical of the Israeli government without being antisemitic. You could be critical of, say, something relating to unemployment insurance. But that's not what people are usually talking about when this argument comes up - instead, they're criticizing Israel's right to exist or Israel's right to defend itself (which amounts to the same thing). When they're not being so explicit, they want Israel t…

Hm. That's a very good point. But I believe that there's one hole in your argument: it's that a country defending its right to exist means that it's allowed to commit atrocities. I strongly believe that Isreal has a right to defend itself. In fact, I think they have every right to do what this thread was actually about: track down and assasinate a terrorist. You cannot deny, however, that Israel has been less than ki…

Actually we can deny Israel has committed atrocities or done anything else bad or worse than other countries. in fact it has not.

you're now making factual assertions, which are false, and which you have never researched, you've only heard them from biased unscholarly sources like CNN. and you just believed them, without adequate questioning of them.

is it a coincidence that you believe false factual statements condemning israel, but not ones condemning france? or what?

and that you're so damn sure israel is guilty that you insist no one could even dispute it, even though you're highly ignorant on the topic and do not provide any factual arguments documenting any atrocities. (there are many purported documentations of such things. i've seen them before. they are not exactly high quality or persuasive. they only convince biased people or people who don't look too closely.)

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by xenophanes »

mkhattab wrote: post #68
xenophanes wrote: post #47

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The justification for settlements is as follows: buying land, and living there, is legal. Describing this process is "unilaterally moving into land where 2/3 of them live" is false. A way to stop being split on the issue is to stop believing false factual claims. Palestine will have moderate leadership sometime after the majority of Palestinians are decent people who will vote for decent leaders. Blaming Israel for t…

Wow, it's well known that the settlements are illegal under international law. This is acknowledged by many academics and intellectuals such as Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky.

you think saying your position being right is "well known" and that Noam Chomsky agrees is an objective, rational argument that will persuade people who don't already agree with you...?
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