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Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by haberman »

earlyresort wrote: post #20
confluence wrote: post #5

Holy shit! What the fuck are they doing? This is absolutely insane! What better way to create more terrorists than by laughing in their faces, publishing military operations on Twitter as if they were trivial events, showing military kill strikes on YouTube and using game like graphics stating their leaders have been "eliminated". Do you want to enrage your enemy into more violence or do you want to win? Do your mili…

The Arab world is already awash in antisemitic propaganda. This Twitter account isn't going to move the needle there. No, this account is aimed at Americans. It shares short, simple, true messages: Hamas is a terrorist organization, Hamas launches hundreds of rockets into Israel, Israel is defending itself, and Israel is rather good at defending itself. The messages are designed to be shared with friends, in order to…

I'm an American who is split on this issue (I find fault on both sides). None of the things you mentioned were ever uncertain to me.

If Israel is looking for more support from people like me, the question I'd like to see them answer is: how do they justify the West Bank settlements? I can't even begin to understand how Israel can claim to want peace with Palestinians while unilaterally moving into the land where 2/3 of them live. Where do they think the Palestinian state should be?

I can't even say I'm disagreeing with Israel's stance on this issue, because I honestly don't understand what theory Israel uses to justify this. Every time I read any news on this issue, there is a conspicuous lack of comment from Israeli leadership about why this is ok. It's like they don't believe it needs explaining. It's very strange to me.

Hamas is awful, but what space are Israel's policies leaving for more moderate Palestinian leadership?

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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cup wrote: post #16

An adaption from an earlier comment of mine: Lets be frank, this was a targeted assassination by a nation state that consistently tries to paint itself as a beacon of democracy in the region. Say all you want about Ahmed Jabari but his modus operandi was a direct result of a life of occupation and subjugation. You don't go into prison at the age of 22 and come out 13 years later a happy individual. I mean it was only…

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Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by cup »

pinaceae wrote: post #35
cup wrote: post #16

An adaption from an earlier comment of mine: Lets be frank, this was a targeted assassination by a nation state that consistently tries to paint itself as a beacon of democracy in the region. Say all you want about Ahmed Jabari but his modus operandi was a direct result of a life of occupation and subjugation. You don't go into prison at the age of 22 and come out 13 years later a happy individual. I mean it was only…

does Hamas recognize the right of Israel to exist? this is war.

No, this is occupation and apartheid.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by pinaceae »

confluence wrote: post #5

Holy shit! What the fuck are they doing? This is absolutely insane! What better way to create more terrorists than by laughing in their faces, publishing military operations on Twitter as if they were trivial events, showing military kill strikes on YouTube and using game like graphics stating their leaders have been "eliminated". Do you want to enrage your enemy into more violence or do you want to win? Do your mili…

you mean besides the 'iconic' picture of the war room with Obama and his top aides watching the raid? detailed accounts of what happened? pictures of the aftermath? an onslaught of books, movies, references?

nope, nothing at all. but somehow everyone knows that seal team six is BADASS.

pointing to the US, of all countries, as a counter example is a cognitive dissonance of such magnitude, it is baffling.

greetings from Europe.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by skrebbel »

philwelch wrote: post #30
skrebbel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it'll work. Before this, I merely thought of the Israeli government as a bunch of nazis who believe that driving people out of their homes is god's work. Now, I also think they're barbarians.

> Before this, I merely thought of the Israeli government as a bunch of nazis That's probably the least appropriate analogy ever. > who believe that driving people out of their homes is god's work Israel is actually a surprisingly secular country. If you don't know the most basic things about a country, maybe you shouldn't go around calling them nazis and barbarians. There's a word for those kind of attitudes.

Good point. In fact, I may very well not know the most basic things about this country. But then how do you explain the colonization programme? The only explanation I've been able to figure out is some zionist idea of a right to a patch of land; some race-based sense of superiority. Why else bulldozer villages far across the border that was last determined in a treaty? These are horrible crimes, committed willingly by a democratically elected government. I genuinely don't get it.

But I do admit here that I've turned this not-understanding into choosing that it must be plain evil. Maybe it's something different. I'll not delete my original post to keep the thread understandable.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by skrebbel »

gyardley wrote: post #33
skrebbel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it'll work. Before this, I merely thought of the Israeli government as a bunch of nazis who believe that driving people out of their homes is god's work. Now, I also think they're barbarians.

Re-read what you just wrote. Now, do you really think you're the target audience?

No, but the GP seems to imply that it will help change the mind of those critical of Israel. I'm one of those, and it didn't change my mind. Admittedly, I'm just a single sample though.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by xenophanes »

haberman wrote: post #41
earlyresort wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Arab world is already awash in antisemitic propaganda. This Twitter account isn't going to move the needle there. No, this account is aimed at Americans. It shares short, simple, true messages: Hamas is a terrorist organization, Hamas launches hundreds of rockets into Israel, Israel is defending itself, and Israel is rather good at defending itself. The messages are designed to be shared with friends, in order to…

I'm an American who is split on this issue (I find fault on both sides). None of the things you mentioned were ever uncertain to me. If Israel is looking for more support from people like me, the question I'd like to see them answer is: how do they justify the West Bank settlements? I can't even begin to understand how Israel can claim to want peace with Palestinians while unilaterally moving into the land where 2/3…

The justification for settlements is as follows: buying land, and living there, is legal. Describing this process is "unilaterally moving into land where 2/3 of them live" is false. A way to stop being split on the issue is to stop believing false factual claims.

Palestine will have moderate leadership sometime after the majority of Palestinians are decent people who will vote for decent leaders. Blaming Israel for the hatred of its extremist enemies is nasty.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by philwelch »

skrebbel wrote: post #38
gyardley wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, how people hold the world's only Jewish state to a different moral standard than every other country. There's a word for that.

I'm sure there's people who do this, but I doubt there are many of them in this thread. The fact of the matter is that both the Israelis and the Palestinians consistently commit horrible crimes, in the name of some perceived God-declared right to a strip of desert. On individual cases, you can't blame Israel for defending against hand-made rockets flying over the Gaza strip border. Similarly, you can't blame your ave…

> I don't see how all of that has anything to do with Israel being a Jewish state, except of course that declaring a single-religion state, in general, is asking for trouble.

Israel isn't a state for Judaism, it's simply a state for Jewish people. The set of Jewish people is not equal to the set of people who practice Judaism.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by xenophanes »

skrebbel wrote: post #29
earlyresort wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Arab world is already awash in antisemitic propaganda. This Twitter account isn't going to move the needle there. No, this account is aimed at Americans. It shares short, simple, true messages: Hamas is a terrorist organization, Hamas launches hundreds of rockets into Israel, Israel is defending itself, and Israel is rather good at defending itself. The messages are designed to be shared with friends, in order to…

I doubt it'll work. Before this, I merely thought of the Israeli government as a bunch of nazis who believe that driving people out of their homes is god's work. Now, I also think they're barbarians.

And you believe posting anti-semitic remarks in public is appropriate.

We should care about your opinion why?

Flagged.

Re: Israel live-tweets assault on Gaza

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Post by TDL »

avolcano wrote: post #26
philwelch wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it very strange that people criticize Israel for assassinating terrorist, but say nothing about Obama's kill list or drone strikes.

Erm, I haven't seen this at all. In fact, most of the people I know who are most critical of Israel are also critical of Obama's foreign policy (though most begrudgingly voted for him anyways, because, y'know, Romney).

So they wouldn't truly be critical of him then.
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