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Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by michaelcampbell »

plutokras wrote: post #66
mrhottakes wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they don't care about their reputation with devs, they care about their reputation with people that can write them big fat checks

At my company, devs were the ones pushing for the Claude subscription. Left to management, we would have only had GitHub Copilot – we already have an existing relationship with them and the tool is good enough. If Anthropic is intent on losing the goodwill of the devs, they might not be happy with the consequences. Their product is quite commoditized at this point – the latest GPT, Gemini or GLM is just as good for m…

Exactly the same for me, and I'm now ... "worried" isn't quite right, but you know what I mean, that they will back out. But to what? We had copilot before which was cheaper, and worked reasonably well with the A\ models, but I'm not even sure those will be there (Opus is no longer on my cheapest paid Copilot sub at home), and I've no doubt OpenAI will jack up their prices soon enough and/or do the "exclusivity" thing so they can only be accessed by their own clients.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by michaelcampbell »

rustyhancock wrote: post #96
chewz wrote: post #11

Makes sense. It is over for the little guy - home enthusiasts and vibe coders. Too many of them saturating resources for Max users. IF you cannot afford few hundred dollars subscription go out and breathe fresh air. But if you can, watch where the ball is rolling - few thousand dollars subscriptions and even less programmers.

Hear HN tell of it, Claude pays for itself 3× over. Something tells me congitively it's making us misjudge how productive it's making us. It's clearly massively increasing output, but did the market already soak up all that productivity and now it's not compensated? If your salary is 50k. And Claude makes you 2x as productive, why aren't you earning 100k? Why is it anyone can't afford $200/mo if it's truely increasin…

> Personally I switched to Z.ai and GLM quite some time ago. I've not noticed any decrease in quality or quantity of my work.

> Something tells me congitively it's making us misjudge how productive it's making us.

This could be happening to you, too.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by michaelcampbell »

user34283 wrote: post #138
whattheheckheck wrote: post #46

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Vscode agent mode and github copilot can use Claude models and has feature parity with the .md customization for agents prompts skills etc. Not too expensive

They slapped a 7.5x “promotional” multiplier on Opus 4.7 and they are removing Opus 4.6 in short order. I heard they disabled signups for non-business accounts too. Best forget about using Claude Opus models in Copilot.

> Best forget about using Claude Opus models in Copilot.

I noticed this morning that Opus isn't even one of the models in the `/model` command in Copilot. Highest I can get (on the paid, but least expensive) tier is Sonnet 4.6. I'm pretty sure Opus was allowed recently, but not now.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by meta_gunslinger »

sweezyjeezy wrote: post #575
meta_gunslinger wrote: post #557

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Reddit is a very small subsection of the Internet consisting mainly of basement-dweller radical leftist they/thems. We should not be taking them as a representative sample of the average Anthropic user.

Ironic that you are talking about unrepresentative samples while characterizing Reddit users that way. Reddit is a huge subsection of the internet, over a billion monthly active users. It covers basically all strata of western society you can think of.

Are you counting the fakes and the bots?

Moreover, as sibling pointed out, content creator != visitor.

If Reddit was a representative sample of reality, all governments in the West would have been ran by gay race Communists.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by michaelcampbell »

0x_rs wrote: post #123

If true, very strange change when Codex (at both 20 & 100) is a much, much better deal for a model much better at most coding tasks, with way more usage even with the /fast mode enabled. Is losing most non-enterprise customers the right move for them?

> much better deal for a model much better at most coding tasks

The first assertion is also subject to change (and likely, if this works for A\). The second assertion is very much subjective. I haven't found that to be the case, but everyones needs, use cases, and workflows are different, so glad that it's working that way for you.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by michaelcampbell »

mil22 wrote: post #416
0x_rs wrote: post #152

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Feels to me it's a battle between who has the most compute. OpenAI does not seem to be struggling with their x2 usage on the new 100 Plan, which is very close to unlimited usage with the best performing model on the highest reasoning setting. Not mentioning the resets every 1 million customers, or the other generous usage multipliers last months. Meanwhile Anthropic seems to be desperately trying to cut down on infer…

Seems we were both right: https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2046740759056162816 "Codex will continue to be available both in the FREE and PLUS ($20) plans. We have the compute and efficient models to support it." Both the compute, and the efficient models.

Because I believe things coming out of Altman's organization at face value. /s

I mean I hope it's correct, but given his history I'm not betting on it.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by rsynnott »

simonw wrote: post #270
rideontime wrote: post #209

Anthropic’s “Head of Growth” claims this is a “test”: https://x.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/2046724659039932830 This does not explain the changes to documentation.

They later said: https://twitter.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/204672549859272297... > When we do land on something, if it affects existing subscribers you'll get plenty of notice before anything changes. Will hear it from us, not a screenshot on X or Reddit. If you don't want things like this spreading through screenshots of X and Reddit, don't run "tests" like this in the first place! (Also "if it affects existing subs…

A screenshot is, however, apparently good enough for _new_ subscribers.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by abustamam »

verdverm wrote: post #577
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #571

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But if e.g. a developer can do 50% more, shouldn't it be worth it to pay up to 50% of developer salary for the product? So the % is debatable of course. There's cases where an AI agent can save weeks worth of investigation, there's cases where you are mainly blocked due to processes, and many different circumstances. It's up to every company on their own to decide it. But if they decide it's 50%, why shouldn't they s…

I believe what GP is saying is that there is a price calculation today, but then if enough devs become unemployed, their salary will go down, making them more competitive by finops calculations, at which point the Ai prices will have to come down as well. Where equilibrium is, no one knows

I think it's an interest hypothesis but I don't think it works out like that. AI prices aren't priced in relation to the work they do, they're priced in relation to tokens (input/output). As long as it's cheaper to use those tokens than it is to pay a dev, then dev salaries will likely fall. Whenever it becomes cheaper to hire a dev than to use AI, a company will likely just hire a dev. But AI prices won't fall just because dev salaries have.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by vehemenz »

inetknght wrote: post #381
vehemenz wrote: post #372

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Depends entirely on the stakes and whether personal data is involved

> Depends entirely on the stakes and whether personal data is involved Sure. Let me just A/B test whether or not you'll respond positively or negatively to having your news delivered via push notification or delayed by 10 minutes. I'm sure you would appreciate being tested on without your consent, just so that I can make an extra quick buck at your expense. Nothing amoral or unethical about it.

How does your example warrant such moral righteousness? The stakes of a late news notification seem strikingly low.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by kingstnap »

simonw wrote: post #270
rideontime wrote: post #209

Anthropic’s “Head of Growth” claims this is a “test”: https://x.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/2046724659039932830 This does not explain the changes to documentation.

They later said: https://twitter.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/204672549859272297... > When we do land on something, if it affects existing subscribers you'll get plenty of notice before anything changes. Will hear it from us, not a screenshot on X or Reddit. If you don't want things like this spreading through screenshots of X and Reddit, don't run "tests" like this in the first place! (Also "if it affects existing subs…

> Will hear it from us, not a screenshot on X or Reddit.

Has this ever been true? You will almost always see some anecdotal screenshot a long time before any company would rat on themselves.

Yes the random screenshots include a lot of false positives. But official comms have a lot of their own problems given how companies behave nowadays.

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