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Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by fg137 »

tayo42 wrote: post #83
fg137 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They care about developers from companies that are on their team/enterprise plans or using bedrock. Individual users barely matter. That's probably also the same group that decides to switch to Codex/Kimi/[whatever the hottest agent on any given day] on a whim, which Anthropic doesn't necessarily want to do business with.

> Individual users barely matter. Individuals are the ones that push for new tools at work though.

A fraction of them do. Many just use whatever the employer provides to get their job done. HN users only represent a small sample of the overall software developers which is nowhere nearly enthusiastic about new things.

Source: what I witnessed at my company

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by Oras »

elschneider wrote: post #58
robertkarl wrote: post #44

I don't think I've ever been on such a rollercoaster with a company's reputation in the developer space. I started in January on the $20 plan, essentially my first agentic AI programming. I quickly started hitting limits developing several apps at the same time. I went up to the $200 plan after seeing the value. After seeing my own issues with 4.6 and the mega-post on Github about declining metrics in a decent datase…

I had a similar ride, but disagree with your conclusion. Opus 4.7 is so incredibly powerful from my experience, that nothing else really matters and I think at Anthropic they know it. People will pay a lot for access to this model.

Incredible, powerful, but I couldn't believe how fast I hit the limits compared to how it was with Opus 4.6. They removed Opus 4.6 completely from CC. I would prefer it with the previous limits.

That's not how you keep your customers. None of these agents have a moat, I moved away from Cursor when they started doing what Anthropic is doing now, and never went back even when I was a paying customer since the start.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by menthe »

quietsegfault wrote: post #63

Trying to chat with "fin" is like trying to argue with a bowl of congealed oatmeal. Me: Why is your website saying Claude Code is not included in Claude Pro subscriptions? "Fin", the slow, dopey AI agent: That’s confusing, but it usually comes down to what “Claude Code” means in that context. Claude Pro does include Claude Code (the Code tab in the desktop app, and Claude Code access for individuals). What Pro does n…

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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by ykl »

At least for me Claude Code is still working on my Pro plan. I don't know if that's because the change simply hasn't propagated all the way through their systems yet (the change is now up on the main Claude pricing page and on their support pages, but not on the Claude Code landing page yet), or if it's because existing plans are grandfathered in, or what.

In general Anthropic seems to be pretty bad at clearly communicating what is going on. I have both Claude Pro for Claude Code and ChatGPT Plus for Codex, and lately I've been reaching for Codex first more and more often... at least for the hobby stuff I'm using Claude/Codex on, they seem pretty much equivalent in terms of practical capability/usefulness.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by mmcconnell1618 »

Anthropic clearly doesn't understand that customers see their brand as "Claude", Google's brand as "Gemini" and OpenAI's brand as "ChatGPT." They have so many plans and exclusions that they risk customer confusion. I was surprised when I was pay $200/month for Claude Code, finding it super helpful, and then I had to pay separately to get API access for an experiment. Why are so many parts of "Claude" separate from each other, especially on a $200/month subscription.

Anthropic better get this sorted out with a proper product manager and marketing or they risk customers jumping to easier to understand platforms that are good enough.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by mudkipdev »

danielspace23 wrote: post #52

With GLM and Kimi getting better and better, with both still providing low-cost coding plans with higher quotas, and with how trivial it is to switch to them even within Claude CLI, I'm not sure what makes Anthropic think their users would rather pay 5x than switch to the competition.

The GLM coding plan price increased dramatically

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by someuser54541 »

robertkarl wrote: post #98
operatingthetan wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we are inevitably heading to using the cheap Chinese models like Kimi, GLM, and Minimax for the bulk of engineering tasks. Within 3-6 months they will be at Opus 4.6 level.

This was literally my task today, to try out Qwen 9B locally on my, albeit a bit memory-constrained at 18GB, macbook with pi or opencode. Before reading this update.

Please report back, would be very interested in your findings.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by mil22 »

0x_rs wrote: post #123

If true, very strange change when Codex (at both 20 & 100) is a much, much better deal for a model much better at most coding tasks, with way more usage even with the /fast mode enabled. Is losing most non-enterprise customers the right move for them?

Equally, will offering a presumably unprofitably large quota of Codex tokens at $20 to retain non-enterprise customers turn out to be the right move for OpenAI?

Would not be surprised to see OpenAI follow suit.

Or perhaps OpenAI's LLMs are just so more compute efficient that they can actually offer that sustainably...

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