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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by bigyabai »

tredre3 wrote: post #373
aljgz wrote: post #335

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Your MBP's keyboard breaks? €730[1] Your FW's Keyboard breaks? Original price you paid, bonus: you can just buy the newest model. You want to upgrade anything in your MBP? "You know, with how thin, lightweight and fast they are, it's physically impossible to make them user-serviceable" On the FW? They gave you the one tool you needed when you purchased your laptop. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47822483

CTRL+F keyboard on your link. Not found. Why are you lying? That price is to replace the main board. Give us the price of the Framework's mainboard if you want to compare that.

> Why are you lying? That price is to replace the main board.

They aren't lying. Apple's OEM keyboard repair will charge you for the entire topcase assembly, which can easily crest $500.

Contrast this with Framework or Thinkpad where a keyboard replacement is $20 and 5 minutes of screw work: https://www.ebay.com/itm/286053777254

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by cbsmith »

charlieboardman wrote: post #268

From what I can ascertain, the new bigger battery is incompatible with the old chassis: https://frame.work/products/pro-battery-74wh "This product can only be used with both the Framework Laptop 13 Pro Bottom Cover and Framework Laptop 13 Pro Input Cover." I applaud that the mainboard and keyboard are backwards compatible, but I don't think the pro is quite as backwards compatible as some are thinking

Yup. Sounds right. Interestingly though, you can use the new input cover with the older frames.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by pxc »

luqtas wrote: post #176
sdoering wrote: post #84

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Can't attest to framework, but after switching to an arch based syttem on my Quite low level HP Envy 13'' I get about 130% - 170% of time out of the system. Yes, I am running mostly in dark mode now. Yes, I am using the terminal significantly more often now (80% of the time). But also I have always a browser, always Slack, WhatsApp, Obsidian and more often than not a few other things running on virtual screens. Just…

unless you screen is OLED, dark-mode has no or zero impact on battery usage, maybe even non-significant impact on OLEDs

HP Envy does have OLED screen options. I'd assume it's what they have, if they thought dark mode was relevant.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by stavros »

notenlish wrote: post #325
kelnos wrote: post #220

As soon as I saw the email announcement for the 13 Pro, my face fell. My assumption was that this was a brand new, incompatible chassis, and that my current 13 would be obsolete, and if I want to go further, I'd have to buy a whole new chassis in one go. Essentially a full laptop replacement, completely betraying the entire point. And then I click through and see the compatibility table and my jaw drops. Amazing! Yes…

The thermals hopefully won't be a problem, since the new Intel chips are quite efficient.

Does anyone know whether the AMD chips are more performant? I like AMD more as a company, especially since I like healthy competition. I'd prefer an AMD chip if it's as efficient and performant as the Intel ones.

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Post by throwaway85825 »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #495
throwaway85825 wrote: post #472

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Why LPCAMM and not SOCAMM2? What is the status of SOCAMM for laptops and would it be possible to do a SOCAMM for NVMe?

Socamm is all about data centre capacity. It starts at 128GB and you can only order it in bulk(?) from data centre providers. On the other hand I can go to a local store and buy a stick of 32GB lpcamm2.

There's no reason they couldn't use smaller capacity modules. SOCAMM has better area efficiency and z height, both highly relevant for thin and light laptops.

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Post by LandenLove »

It's unfortunate that I am unable to access these new products because Framework does not ship to Japan. I have an original Framework 13 that's CPU fan has been making death noises. There is also a broken screw mount in the base.

I didn't do shipment forwarding. I just bought the product and later moved to Japan. Also, Framework supposedly blocks shipment forwarding.

It's odd, because I remember them advertising a Japanese keyboard layout in the past. They must not see a large enough market to justify the costs.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by bigyabai »

DanHulton wrote: post #499

Oh my god, yet _another_ "developer-focused" laptop with full-sized left/right arrow keys, which are an absolutely miserable experience to actually use. How is it that Apple is the only company these days( ) that consistently gets this right? ( Yes, I know they used full-sized keys for a while, I moaned and cursed them at the time as well.)

The modern Thinkpad arrow cluster spoils me; most other laptops leave me reaching for a convenient pgup/pgdn key that doesn't exist.

I'd much rather see something like that, going back to Fn+up/dn makes me feel like a caveman.

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Post by trostaft »

DanHulton wrote: post #499

Oh my god, yet _another_ "developer-focused" laptop with full-sized left/right arrow keys, which are an absolutely miserable experience to actually use. How is it that Apple is the only company these days( ) that consistently gets this right? ( Yes, I know they used full-sized keys for a while, I moaned and cursed them at the time as well.)

?

Sorry, I've never seen this perspective, why do you want the smaller ones? The small arrow keys on my MacBook are one of my least favorite parts of the keyboard.

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Post by spaghettifythis »

LandenLove wrote: post #506

It's unfortunate that I am unable to access these new products because Framework does not ship to Japan. I have an original Framework 13 that's CPU fan has been making death noises. There is also a broken screw mount in the base. I didn't do shipment forwarding. I just bought the product and later moved to Japan. Also, Framework supposedly blocks shipment forwarding. It's odd, because I remember them advertising a Ja…

Same problem here in NZ - they only ship to AUS, despite lots of people here being keen on their laptops. I know multiple people who have made it a point to time a trip to AUS with buying a Framework so they can pick it up while they're over there.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by kristianp »

DanHulton wrote: post #499

Oh my god, yet _another_ "developer-focused" laptop with full-sized left/right arrow keys, which are an absolutely miserable experience to actually use. How is it that Apple is the only company these days( ) that consistently gets this right? ( Yes, I know they used full-sized keys for a while, I moaned and cursed them at the time as well.)

I agree with you that having full height left-right and half-sized up-down is a pain, because of the inconsistency.

The problem I have with laptop keyboard is that the arrow key height is too small, and the cluster itself is too crowded to sit my fingers on comfortably when using arrows. I want the arrow cluster to have full sized keys.

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