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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by nhumrich »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #232

Man, I want to get a Framework, but I'm held back by the lack of trackpoint. Yes, I know it's not going to happen officially, but I just can't see myself using a laptop without one. So, until someone figures out some mod or 3rd-party part I'm sticking with Thinkpads.

Dell Precision used to have track points. Now the only holdout is Thinkpad. I sometimes wonder how much the track point itself keeps that product line successful.

That being said, thinkpads are almost as upgradeable as frameworks. The latest t14 received a better score from ifixit than framework for repairability (first ever to get a 10).

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by nhumrich »

Personally, I don't understand aluminum chassis. Sure, it feels more premium, but it comes with quite a bit more weight than plastic, and I much prefer less weight over "feel" when it comes to a laptop.

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Post by Rohansi »

Melatonic wrote: post #286
Rohansi wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming you're referring to Apple Silicon's memory bandwidth, that is not necessarily because the memory is on-die. The bandwidth comes from having more channels to access memory. This gives the SoC a wider bus to increase throughput vs. your typical x86 system with two channels. For whatever reasons Intel/AMD decided that two channels is all the typical consumer chips can support now so it's on them.

On laptops right? Weve seen more channels for years elsewhere

Yes, on laptops, but even on most desktops now too. Higher number of channels is getting more limited to server systems.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by nine_k »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #155
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Any plans to have a keyboard with a trackpoint and thumb buttons? I Don't need a trackpad. If you add this then you'll have a new customer for life. The trackpoint is the only thing that keeps me chained to Thinkpads.

Same here. I wonder if a third party could offer a keyboard with a trackpoint, now that the keyboard is an individually upgradeable part.

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Post by aljgz »

the_arun wrote: post #317

Macbook Pro 14" with M5, 32GB RAM, 1TB HDD = $2,099.00 Framework Pro 13" DIY AMD Ryzen 7 350, 32GB RAM, 1TB HDD = $2,049.00 Framework Pro 13" Pre-Built AMD Ryzen 7 350, 32GB RAM, 1TB HDD = $2,059.00

Your MBP's keyboard breaks? €730[1]

Your FW's Keyboard breaks? Original price you paid, bonus: you can just buy the newest model.

You want to upgrade anything in your MBP? "You know, with how thin, lightweight and fast they are, it's physically impossible to make them user-serviceable"

On the FW? They gave you the one tool you needed when you purchased your laptop.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47822483

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Post by zdragnar »

pimterry wrote: post #125
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

All the battery life stats use Windows for testing. How does the equivalent Linux performance compare?

Always depends on your configuration but I've not had issues with arch or fedora getting comparable battery life to Windows in a long time.

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Post by rick_dalton »

sharms wrote: post #8

This is great - a Macbook Pro for Linux users, made of CNC milled aluminum, haptic trackpad, and 20+ hours of 4k video playback under Linux

The 20h figure is specifically for streaming 4k Netflix in the app on Windows. Netflix doesn’t even support 4K streaming on Linux as far as I know.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by aljgz »

cassianoleal wrote: post #3

The whole page advertises how well this runs Linux, but then… > The side-firing speakers are tuned with Dolby Atmos® to deliver clear, balanced audio on Windows

If you are an avid Linux user, you should know that this kind of Criticism is not on point.

Battery life? Should they share all possible config combinations? Should they share the most power-saving setting (and then be blamed for sharing numbers that almost no one gets to reproduce?)

As a Linux user on an AMD FW my battery life is good enough (7ish hours of work), and I never felt I need to tune it further from the OOB Fedora Kinoite.

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Post by thebruce87m »

iririririr wrote: post #116
llbbdd wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've bought two Apple products in my life, both Macbook Pros, one in 2014 and one in 2021. I have a Pixel phone, zero transactions in the App Store all-time, pay $0 to Apple on any kind of subscription basis. Not disagreeing with the nature of their incentive structure, but if they're intentionally crippling their hardware division somehow to squeeze me for money, they're really bad at it.

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This has never happened. Batterygate was about stopping individual handsets from rebooting by triggering throttling after a brownout. If you are trying to drive up sales you would just let these out of warranty devices reboot. Literally doing nothing would have been easier for Apple.
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