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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by echelon »

Neikius wrote: post #20
kingsleyopara wrote: post #14

I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

Does MBP run Linux? That would be the selling point for me ... But I guess I am not in a big group. Also MBP is not really repairable at all.

I would love a MBP that ran Linux. I am not a fan of MacOS (though it's one of my two daily drivers).

What I really want is for other hardware vendors to catch up. I like Apple hardware but hate their software.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by yencabulator »

chis wrote: post #28

It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. To be specific: There's a new lower chassis, and a new chassis top with haptic touchpad. On my older framework I could buy just the chassis top to get the new touchpad. Crazy that they could make that work. I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-s…

Nitpick: hot swap means without powering off. Not recommended for motherboards, batteries, RAM etc. The running electricity is the "hot" part, and without that it's just "swap".

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by cheema33 »

zekica wrote: post #140
jasonjmcghee wrote: post #42

Out of sheer curiosity, why do apple devices have astronomically longer battery life when sleeping? (How is the sleep so efficient?) I was busy with work and didn't touch my personal laptop for a few weeks and it still had well over half the battery.

Mainly because Microsoft wants to have "connected standby": the CPU is running in a low power mode (not powered off like "old" S3 sleep), can be turned on periodically and can turn on other devices even when the computer is "sleeping". My Zen2 based Lenovo laptop has 6-7 hours of battery when doing basic tasks in both Windows and Linux, but sleep on Linux lasts a week while on Windows it's empty in 24 hours.

> Mainly because Microsoft wants to have "connected standby"...

And that is OK, as long as they provide a way for you to disable it. I do not want my laptop to be doing things when I put it in sleep mode. Nothing at all. Save battery life above all else when sleeping. But Microsoft does not appear to provide a way to do that. At least none that I can see.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by codethief »

Agingcoder wrote: post #142
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

This looks suspiciously like something I could buy : a lightweight well made Linux laptop, with long battery life. I currently use a MacBook and won’t get near a windows machine. Two questions 1/ will there be a 15 inches version ? ( I’m not getting any younger I like bigger screens ) 2/ software-wise how reliable are the suspend/resume and all the laptop features ? I’ve been using Linux for about 30y and to me this…

> will there be a 15 inches version ? ( I’m not getting any younger I like bigger screens )

Seconding this question, though I would also be very interested in learning whether they're planning a 14" version.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by riknos314 »

cassepipe wrote: post #381
Trollmann wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same, though the battery upgrade alone will be around $260 because of the new bottom cover, at that might just throw in the speaker upgrade as well for $19. Not sure if I even want a haptic touchpad at all.

So you if you want the newer bottom you have to upgrade the battery is what you're saying ?

The new battery is physically larger, so the old bottom cannot accommodate it.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by cassepipe »

pojntfx wrote: post #9

I'm really looking forward to having this as the go-to laptop to recommend to devs again. The original Framework chassis was really showing it's age next to e.g. a MacBook Pro or the new XPS 14. Having mainline Linux on a system with 24h+ battery life in a 13" case is pretty damn impressive.

Yes, it was not mentionned often in the list of complaints about the fw 13 because the chassis was good enough but my main gripe was that it felt flimsy.

Strangely it was not flimsy and held its own but it felt flimsy and to be honest I never was quite able to tell why. What one want for a premium laptop is the satisfying rigidity of a Macbook and it didn't have it.

So for me this new chassis is a banger release. It's amazing that I can just drop my "old" hardware in it and it would just work.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by tosti »

prism56 wrote: post #363
aembleton wrote: post #305

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I wish they booted them up in that video. Its one thing being able to plug parts in but its another for them to all work together.

Based on my experience upgrading my FW. There's probably drivers and bios updates needed to do the transfer

Back in 2002 I took the HDD from one PC, put it in a different PC, worked just fine. The worst thing that could happen is that the other one already had another disk so I had to change /etc/fstab to say "hdb" instead of "hda" and vice versa. Didn't take long for that to get fixed by specifying UUIDs and having initramfs sort it out.

IDK why it's not working for you but this should all just work without bothering with any configuration, drivers, or whatever.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by temp0826 »

michaelt wrote: post #153
pojntfx wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't see why it wouldn't - as long as pstate etc. works it should be the same. I'd argue it's probably better given that modern desktops use far less resources in the background compared to Windows I bet they don't publish Linux numbers because it depends on which desktop you use etc.

A lot of office workers these days spend a lot of time in video calls. So to get the best battery life you need, for example, your browser to use GPU-accelerated video encoding and decoding. Linux is something of a second-class citizen for both GPU vendors and browser vendors. So for example if you're using Firefox and an nvidia GPU on Linux? No video encode/decode acceleration for you. The browser will silently swit…

HW decoding works fine. But some distros (looking at you Fedora) have legal issues around providing it out of the box.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by muyuu »

kingsleyopara wrote: post #14

I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

If you're even making this comparison, buy the MBP or keep looking.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by manuhabitela »

Man, this looks really, really impressive. It basically solves every issue we could find to the framework 13. Can't wait for the reviews.

Accepting the prices of the ram shortage era is still painful, but even with the 64gb option, here in France it's still a great deal compared to similarly configured premium thinkpads or macbook pros.

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