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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

#93

A laptop without a unified memory model is categorically incapable of being the "ultimate developer laptop". Framework already have Strix Halo machines, I don't know why they felt the need to hamstring this thing with Intel.

> hamstring this thing with Intel. Have you missed all the recent Intel news or something?

What are the news recently?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

#94
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I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

Dumb comparison, because buying a Framework is a single transaction where I exchange money for a computer, and buying a Mac is an entrypoint to “The Ecosystem” where Apple wants to squeeze me for $ /month forever. Peep the margins on “Products” versus “Services” and you will understand what Apple's incentives are and why just selling me hardware isn't it: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy2026-q1/FY26_Q1_Consol..…

I've bought two Apple products in my life, both Macbook Pros, one in 2014 and one in 2021. I have a Pixel phone, zero transactions in the App Store all-time, pay $0 to Apple on any kind of subscription basis. Not disagreeing with the nature of their incentive structure, but if they're intentionally crippling their hardware division somehow to squeeze me for money, they're really bad at it.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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> hamstring this thing with Intel. Have you missed all the recent Intel news or something?

Gotta be honest, I have. I'm still living in a world where AMD is superior, but that may not be the case today?

For laptops Lunar lake and Panther lake addressed many issues and brought x86 power consumption to Apple Silicon levels.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Yes, see https://asahilinux.org/

Would be super interested if any person on this planet uses this as the main driver.

I do, for work at least. Works nice aside from the lack of USB-C monitor (mine has a HDMI output so not a huge deal for me.)

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

#98

Out of sheer curiosity, why do apple devices have astronomically longer battery life when sleeping? (How is the sleep so efficient?) I was busy with work and didn't touch my personal laptop for a few weeks and it still had well over half the battery.

They write their own software. And firmware. Other OEMs can just beg their tier 1/2 suppliers to get their shit together and put components to sleep properly by making windows, drivers, and firmware work well together. Also things like lpddr5x, ssd controller built into the SoC with cache in unified ram (instead of running a whole ass separate computer with its own ram on an m2 stick) etc

This is it.

Sleep is such a finicky thing which requires all parts of the system to do it right.

My desktop lost the ability to sleep because I guess the nvidia drivers have decided that you are wrong to want to put things to sleep.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

#99
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Running local AI requires unified memory.

The iGP can access shared memory the same as with any modern system. I'm confused where you got this idea from.

There is a huge difference between on-die and off-die memory. Where that shared memory is located matters immensely.
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