Framework Laptop 13 Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by unethical_ban » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 6:56 PM UTC

This is awesome. I like my 2 year old framework and this new RAM looks really interesting, I need to learn more.

However, the 358H processor + 64GB RAM + 1TB NVMe is $2700. Wow. Even if I sold my current AMD 7840U with 64GB of RAM it would still be quite an investment.

The biggest question I have, which is probably easily searchable: How well will this run local LLMs? Seems the RAM is fast enough.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by I_am_tiberius » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 6:56 PM UTC

adityamwagh wrote: post #29

Neikius wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does MBP run Linux? That would be the selling point for me ... But I guess I am not in a big group. Also MBP is not really repairable at all.

Yes, see https://asahilinux.org/

Would be super interested if any person on this planet uses this as the main driver.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by bestouff » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 6:56 PM UTC

Anonyneko wrote: post #33

Neikius wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does MBP run Linux? That would be the selling point for me ... But I guess I am not in a big group. Also MBP is not really repairable at all.

M1 and M2 models run Asahi Linux, M3 and M4 don't run anything natively I think (but not entirely sure).

M1 and M2 run Linux but don't expect usable battery life, Thunderbolt output or a few other niceties.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by skywal_l » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 6:56 PM UTC

75% keyboard?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by yonatan8070 » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 6:56 PM UTC

kingsleyopara wrote: post #14

I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

At least it's available in the UK

I've wanted to get a Framework for a long time now, but their lack of shipping to Israel (and active prevention of using Freight forwarders) has prevented me.

If they were willing to sell me the 13 Pro, I'd sell my Yoga Pro 7 in a heartbeat to replace with a 13 Pro

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by jeffbee » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 6:56 PM UTC

jasonjmcghee wrote: post #42

Out of sheer curiosity, why do apple devices have astronomically longer battery life when sleeping? (How is the sleep so efficient?) I was busy with work and didn't touch my personal laptop for a few weeks and it still had well over half the battery.

I think it's just a vertical integration thing. They know what's in the machine and they can make sure that their suspend path puts every peripheral to sleep. Linux has no idea what's in your machine and there may be some device in there somewhere that freaks out if the machine goes to sleep without saying goodnight. Even a 50mW draw will destroy the suspend power budget. Chromebooks have similar vertical integration with respect to ChromeOS and they also enjoy long sleep life. Hypothetically an integrator like Framework can also guarantee this but I can't vouch for it being true, and they would not have any control over Ubuntu updates after the laptop is delivered to the customer.

Just to beat my favorite dead horse, this is why the insistence on SO-DIMMs "BEcAuse it's rEpAIrAble" has wrecked the reputation of a lot of laptops. DDR on a stick is fundamentally hostile to sleep power draw. Soldered-down LPDDR memory has always been massively superior for energy savings, and LP-CAMM finally solves the issue.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by kube-system » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 6:57 PM UTC

sosodev wrote: post #22

TIL LPCAMM2 exists. What an awesome solution to allow memory replacements while meeting all of the other requirements for laptops.

It doesn't meet all of them. AMD considered it for Strix Halo but said it didn't meet their latency requirements.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by SomeoneOnTheWeb » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 6:57 PM UTC

iamcalledrob wrote: post #10

I really wish this had a 4K display option. As someone who dislikes fractional scaling. I'm clinging on to my older Thinkpad X1 because the 4K display is so good.

Doesn't it work perfectly with a 2880px-wide display with 2x scaling?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by bestouff » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 6:57 PM UTC

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #45

dehugger wrote: post #39

A laptop without a unified memory model is categorically incapable of being the "ultimate developer laptop". Framework already have Strix Halo machines, I don't know why they felt the need to hamstring this thing with Intel.

Why?

Running local AI requires unified memory.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by porphyra » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 6:57 PM UTC

kingsleyopara wrote: post #14

I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

Also very sad that the M5 dominates the X7 358H in singlethreaded performance, not to mention the M5 Pro that dominates it in both single- and multithreaded performance.