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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by rjh29 »

kingsleyopara wrote: post #14

I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

Comparing it to a MacBook misses the point. The reason to buy the framework is modularity, repairability, customisability. You can upgrade your CPU, add specific ports you want, change ram. You can't do any of that with a Mac.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by IshKebab »

Kirby64 wrote: post #5
cassianoleal wrote: post #3

The whole page advertises how well this runs Linux, but then… > The side-firing speakers are tuned with Dolby Atmos® to deliver clear, balanced audio on Windows

Don't forget literally all the battery values are specified as Windows 11.

Can you really blame them for that?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by jampekka »

pojntfx wrote: post #17
jampekka wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having mainline Linux on a system with 24h+ battery life in a 13" case is pretty damn impressive. Does it have such battery life on Linux? The benchmarks, apart from suspend battery life, are for Windows.

Don't see why it wouldn't - as long as pstate etc. works it should be the same. I'd argue it's probably better given that modern desktops use far less resources in the background compared to Windows I bet they don't publish Linux numbers because it depends on which desktop you use etc.

> I bet they don't publish Linux numbers because it depends on which desktop you use etc.

They ship with Ubuntu on it, which would be quite natural choice for such benchmark. Also they do do the standby test on Ubuntu for some reason.

Can't help but suspect there's a reason why Linux numbers are not given. :(

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by altairprime »

kingsleyopara wrote: post #14

I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

Everything that isn’t a MacBook will be more expensive than a MacBook, so you should choose a price you want to spend and then evaluate if you prefer a Framework or a Mac at that price point. If your available spending power is too low for a Framework, you’re not getting a Framework — and, separately, if you want a Framework for some reason specific to the Framework and can afford one, then the price of a Mac isn’t relevant unless a Mac can satisfy that same reason.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by chis »

It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do.

To be specific: There's a new lower chassis, and a new chassis top with haptic touchpad. On my older framework I could buy just the chassis top to get the new touchpad. Crazy that they could make that work.

I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-scripted public presentations nerding out over the new devices and shouting out specific team members who did the designs. Really hope the company is doing well.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSxgCEpkiKM

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by adityamwagh »

Neikius wrote: post #20
kingsleyopara wrote: post #14

I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

Does MBP run Linux? That would be the selling point for me ... But I guess I am not in a big group. Also MBP is not really repairable at all.

Yes, see https://asahilinux.org/

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by jampekka »

nine_k wrote: post #19
moffkalast wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well you know how it is on linux, one wrong move and pulseaudio needs restarting lol.

Who does still run pulseaudio when pipewire exists?

Edit: This is incorrect, as pointed out below.

Pulseaudio still does the device juggling etc on most systems even when there's a pipewire backend.

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