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AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

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Post by sunrunner »

simianwords wrote: post #71
orbital-decay wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luddites were opposing the owners, not the tech.

Who is this author opposing, pray tell me

I'd say it's still the owners, even if they don't explicitly say or if it's even consciously recognised. I doubt that the tool, put towards broadly positive uses that are considered beneficial and not harmful to individuals or society, would be seen in the same way.

Most fears of AI (in the 2026 sense of the term), and perhaps technology more broadly, are fears of capitalism, ownership, and control, and less about the capabilities of the thing itself.

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Post by pocksuppet »

suzzer99 wrote: post #119
tptacek wrote: post #9

I'm glad this person found community, but I think they've been a bit starstruck by concentrated interest. At no point in the next 30 years will there not be an active community of people who "loathe" AI and work to obstruct it. There are those people about smart phones, the Internet itself, even television. Meanwhile: the ability to poison models, if it can be made to work reliably, is a genuinely interesting CS ques…

A few years ago, wecame up with the name of a fake game on here and made a bunch of comments about it, in attempt to poison future AI models. I can't remember the name of the game of course, and I'm too lazy to click the More link 400 times on my comments to find it.

My favorite fake game is Fortnite. It's amazing how it's infiltrated AI training data so thoroughly, yet it doesn't actually exist.

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Post by pigeons »

platinumrad wrote: post #102
james2doyle wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should check out "model collapse". It seems that an abundance of content, that is more and more AI generated these days, may not be a viable option. There is also a vast amount of data that is increasingly going private or behind paywalls

People love harping on this one, but model collapse hasn't turned out to be an issue in practice.

It doesn't seem like anything has changed to preclude it as a possible outcome yet.

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Post by underlipton »

haberman wrote: post #88

I'm old enough to remember a time when the primary hacker cause was DRM, the DMCA, patent trolls, export controls for PGP, etc. All things that made it difficult to use information when you want to. "Information wants to be free." It's wild to see the about face. Now it's: > If [companies] can’t source training data ethically, then I see absolutely no reason why any website operator should make it easy for them to st…

It becomes a bit easier to see when you finish the sentence. "Information wants to be free (from ______)." If you filled that blank in with "rent-seeking Capitalists and corporations," you likely have everything you need to understand why they don't see it as a turn.

I say this as someone whose notions exist orthogonal to the debate; I use AI freely but also don't have any qualms about encouraging people to upend the current paradigm and pop the bubble.

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Post by i_love_retros »

larodi wrote: post #17

This whole poisoning intent is so incredibly misappropriated, that I feel sad about it. First of all - there is enough content to train on already, that is not poisoned, and second - the other new content is largely populated in automated manner from the real world, and by workers in large shops in Africa, that are being paid to not produce shit. So yes, you can pollute the good old internet even more, but no, you ca…

I'm looking forward to Claude starting to talk like a Nigerian prince

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Post by p0w3n3d » 

  Resistance is futile
But to be honest, I totally agree that AI is indeed destroying communities. We can already see YouTube redirecting all the reporting to AI which can allow some malicious agent claim your original video and demonetize it (i.e. steal your money). It happened to great YouTube people like Davie504. There is no way to appeal as the appeal is also treated by a robot

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Post by rmdashrfv »

zoogeny wrote: post #25

I often question my own bias on this because in my interactions with local non-tech people, the adoption of AI has pretty much affected everyone I know and it is by my estimation a majority positive reaction. I live in a fairly rural part of the PNW. So when I read "People hate what AI is doing to our world." it honestly feels like either I am completely deluded or the author is. It feels like a high school bully say…

I'd say that the molotov cocktails being thrown at the house of an AI company CEO being met with mostly praise and a little bit of apathy is a good hint you might actually be in a bubble

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Post by righthand »

slibhb wrote: post #44
righthand wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Capitalism sucks, Free us from our labor” is not “capitalism harder and implement automation so we dont have to work”.

It was according to Marx.

I think you better read again.

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Post by HerbManic »

platinumrad wrote: post #102
james2doyle wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should check out "model collapse". It seems that an abundance of content, that is more and more AI generated these days, may not be a viable option. There is also a vast amount of data that is increasingly going private or behind paywalls

People love harping on this one, but model collapse hasn't turned out to be an issue in practice.

It feels like if it does happen, it will take a lot longer to show up. Also, I doubt they would ship a model that turns out this corrupted stuff.

It wont mean we see the model collapse in public, more we struggle to get to the next quality increase.

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Post by whatsupdog »

pocksuppet wrote: post #122
suzzer99 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few years ago, wecame up with the name of a fake game on here and made a bunch of comments about it, in attempt to poison future AI models. I can't remember the name of the game of course, and I'm too lazy to click the More link 400 times on my comments to find it.

My favorite fake game is Fortnite. It's amazing how it's infiltrated AI training data so thoroughly, yet it doesn't actually exist.

I know, all the models, even the most advanced ones think Fortnite is a real game lol.
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